Why I'm done convincing diehard Trump Supporters

Tell your "guy" he's as full of crap as a two story outhouse.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34934574

95% of cocaine comes by sea.
Tunnels under the border will certainly bypass your wall.

As for "demanding papers?" Perhaps you should look into AZ SB1070 along with the career of "Sheriff Joe." The convenience of "conservative" memory loss never ceases to amaze.

 

So you don't disagree with anything I said. I'm confused as to why you are arguing.

 

That you refuse to acknowledge the light does not mean the light is not present.

 

Didn't say I don't disagree. What you said is ignorant from a policy perspective and unworkable from a logistics perspective. And, without removing the lure, just plain stupid.

 

No I really have no idea what the lie is you keep referring to?

You got me? You're not experiencing numbness and tingling on either side of your face, are you?

 

Haha. Stupid is whining about something to keep out illegal aliens from entering the country. Stupid is supporting our tax dollars going to illegal aliens. Stupid is your support for illegal immigration.

 

How can you be done convincing when actually, you haven't even started? By your own admission, you haven't convinced anyone.

 

Well, I think you wrote an incorrect title. You should have written "Why I'm done attempting to convince Die-Hard Trump supporters." I haven't seen you convice them of anything.

 

the problem imo is we refuse to admit that a) there is a war going on in mexico as evidenced by the murder rates, murdered politicians and religous figures, cartels are RUNNING THE SHOW. and b) many illegals here are war refugees, but we have also let in members of the cartel. This is a bipartisan failure.

 

63% of immigrants receive benefits for either themselves or their children currently with 49% of Americans paying a max of zero net income taxes.

Wait, let me state my positions clearly. I want open borders to immigrants. I want to let anyone in that can freely compete. However, I want to reduce the redistribution of wealth to zero.

Now, back to your point, I don't think under the current system that immigrants pay for themselves in federal income taxes. The numbers support the opposite.

 

Oh, please.

The post from you that I responded to had two points:
- that YOU think Obama was worse. And, that's worthless partisan garbage as it is both untrue and irrelevant

- that YOU think I'm a liar from the godless left (!!)

You can't even claim your post was legit under board rules, let alone meaningful in some way.

 

There is no justification for building a wall on our southern border.

You can't argue that it will reduce the number of undocumented aliens in America - walls don't do that.

The number of undocumented aliens in America isn't growing, so the wall can't stop that, either.

And, you can't justify double digit billions of dollars on the wall based on the failed war on drugs.

The wall is a political boondoggle that will cost Americans billions of tax dollars that could have been used for something that helped us in some way - or even just left in the hands of those who earned it.

 

Actually I have. I've stated multiple times on this site sensible solutions to immigration and Muslims coming to the US that doesn't include counterproductive deportation or bans. If I've learned anything about Republicans, its they dig quick tix solutions that will hold up like a Band-Aid on a cracking dam.

 

It succeeded for centuries. The wall didn't fail, a traitor opened the gates.

Remember that one thing. China was sold out by traitors who invited the barbarians in.

 

If the exit polls were right, roughly half of those who voted for Trump was an anti-Clinton vote, no necessarily for Trump. Any Tom, Dick or Harry would have done. For these people the name just happened to be Donald Trump.

Now I am all for a manned mars mission when it is feasible. I also don't think one can just repeal Obamacare with nothing to take its place. There is no going back to the system we had prior to 2010 and Obamacare. A system by the way that 80% of Americans at that time were satisfied with. Too much time has passed.

 

Not Democrats only, but looking at RCP averages approximately 85% of Democrats oppose or disapprove of the job Trump is doing. But on the other side 85% of Republicans approve of the Job Trump has done so far. If that was all one looked at, one would conclude whether or not one approved or disapproved of Trump was a purely partisan and political party thing. But one has to look as those to the non-affiliated or independents to see why Trump is dropping like a brick.

Today only 35% of independents approve of the job Trump is doing while 44% disapprove and 21% are not sure or haven't made up their minds. Compare that to January when 36% approved, but only 28% disapproved with a whopping 35% not sure or undecided. Those independents who approved of Trump still do, but those on the fence have come down in the disapprove column and as more come off the fence and make up their minds about him, most will probably go into the disapprove column. But this shouldn't be surprising, Independents or the non-affiliated didn't particularly like Trump to begin with. Some just thought he was the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate on election day compared to Hillary Clinton. Trump won independents 46-42 over Clinton with 12% voting third party.

 

Interesting stuff. The fact that there is a sharp divide on what he has done is not quite the same question as his overall favorability rating, of course.

What little he's done has included stuff that has been sharply divided not just now but for quite a while.

That's not the same thing as measuring his favorability, which is inclusive of how he has proceeded, not just which topics he chose to attempt to address.

 

Usually when I look at a president's favorability or approval, I go straight to the section that breaks it down by party affiliation. I want to see what the non-affiliated or independents think. Those that are the least partisan, that don't let the R or the D decide how they view a particular president. Usually that takes a lot of the partisanship out of it, not all, but most. What I find most interesting is the number of independents that still has to make up their minds about Trump. 21% is a huge number especially when independents make close to 40% of the electorate. Now if the economy starts to boom, you will see most independents approve of Job Trump does, if not, they will fall into the disapprove column.

Now if the Republicans start giving Trump lower marks, then you know he is in deep trouble. On most of this very divisive stuff, one will find it is the very partisans that hold the strongest views one way or the other while independents fall into the somewhat category one way or the other.

 

How are you saying that a wall "won't reduce the number of illegal aliens"? That's a flat out lie.

There are MANY unsecured areas, especially in California, that people can just walk across, thus giving them access to this country.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

"The truth is that undocumented immigrants contribute more in payroll taxes than they will ever consume in public benefits.

Take Social Security. According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), unauthorized immigrants -- who are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits -- have paid an eye-popping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade. "

"Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years."

 

When trying to convince Trump supporters how bad he is and when selling your corrupt leaders doesn't work, go back to throwing Molotov cocktails like the old days of your past communist radicals.

 

No, remember that for all the death, all the treasure, China's wall failed.

All I need to defeat your wall is a ladder or a shovel. It won't stop immigration and it won't stop drugs. All it will do is cost $30B and wall us in like a Soviet Satellite.

 

All the wall can do is stop the number of undocumented aliens in the US from growing.

And, that number has already stopped growing.

Beyond that, remember that nearly half of those here without documentation came here LEGALLY - not be running the border. The wall does nothing about that route, nor does it address our northern border or seaboard.

The case for more wall has been based on emotion, not numbers.

 

Don't be silly. Nothing lasts forever. Your car will fail. That doesn't mean it wasn't worth buying.

And all I need to defeat your shovel or ladder is a drone monitoring the wall to call ICE.

Nothing is perfect. If it stops 90% of the invaders, it is well worth it.

 

Why don't we stop giving illegal aliens benefits? Cut the welfare for them. HUGE incentive not to invade us illegally. Legalize pot. That will kill so much revenue for Mexican gangs and drug smuggling. Beef up CBP so they can actually patrol the border which is the point of having it...If you won't give me this than the wall will do