Why I'm done convincing diehard Trump Supporters

Not to mention one of the dumbest things in this world:

the Iran deal.

 

Some walls. Not a wall. Certainly not a "Berlin Wall." But a "Berlin Wall" IS what you want isn't it?

 

Hell bro, the looney socialist gave him the Nobel Peace prize for war. Once you get that digested it pretty much sums up the logic of the left, FOREVER

 

Actually, no. I want something that will actually work. I think a wall is better than nothing, which you want.

I want to cut illegal aliens from being able to receive American benefits and incentives (welfare of course). I want harsher punishments for those found here illegally. I want to beef up CBP so we can actually patrol all of the broken lines, like every other country does.

 

They have forms, we have forms.

If that is where we stop, I'm good with it.

But that's not where you want to stop is it?

They're not building a wall, Trump is. Walling ourselves in like a Soviet satellite is UNAMERICAN.

Perhaps you should consider the logic of introducing a path with an uncertain end.

 

Then you're saying Trump's wall and the Berlin wall are functionally identical and that the builders need to lie to their supporters to get them built.

EXACTLY!

 

And yet, you want to do nothing about the lure that actually brings them...criminalize the hiring of illegals and that part of the problem goes away.

Throw a couple of people named Walton or Trump for that matter into a federal prison for a few years and you'll eliminate the jobs. Eliminate the jobs and you eliminate the lure.

 

So DADO how many questionnaires booths are there on the Rio Grande, or are the specific stops throughout the desert or are they simply waiting until they get L.A. and head to a immigration and naturalization center to fill them out

 

No I'm saying you really didn't have a clue why the wall was erected, still don't, and feel the drama value to be far more relevant!

 

Don't know. You introduced Canada's forms so I'm assuming you are the expert.

 

I'm asking where our immigrants along the Rio are stopping to fill out our "we have forms."

 

Well, let's see. There are three reasons to build a wall.

1. Aesthetic
2. Relocate large stones
3. Control movement

Now I'm pretty sure neither Trump's wall nor the Berlin wall were designed for purposes 1 or 2, leaving the purpose for both walls to "control movement."

Both wall serve the same purpose and both walls require lying to followers to get their walls built.

You, of course, refuse to accept this because it calls into question your real reason for supporting such a magnificently stupid idea.

 

I am thinking more like the Great Wall of China. Keep the Barbarians out.

 

You left this one out...

"Your comprehension is clouded by your overly dramatic nature! All I posted was Canada doesn't allow free reign and a link to one of their qualification questionnaires, maybe slow down and let logic seep in before you pounce!"

My how quickly we forget.

 

LMAO, WE all know it's to CONTROL MOVEMENT, that was made VERY clear long ago, so I fail to see "THE LIE" other than another than a silly attempt at drama!

 

And just how successful was that?

"The Manchus were finally able to cross the Great Wall in 1644, after Beijing had already fallen to Li Zicheng's rebels. Before this time, the Manchus had crossed the Great Wall multiple times to raid, but this time it was for conquest. The gates at Shanhai Pass were opened on May 25 by the commanding Ming general, Wu Sangui, who formed an alliance with the Manchus, hoping to use the Manchus to expel the rebels from Beijing.[33] The Manchus quickly seized Beijing, and eventually defeated both the rebel-founded Shun dynasty and the remaining Ming resistance, establishing the Qing dynasty rule over all of China.[34]"

 

Of course you fail to see "the lie." "The lie" is part of who you are.

 

You're making know sense now

 

What lie are you referring to?

 

Why do you insist on lying? I too want to criminalize hiring illegal aliens. I just forgot to mention it. You also didn't even comment on the other suggestions I had. There is another huge reason illegal aliens come here...drugs/gangs. San Diego is a huge foster home for that- and the starting place.

 

Well we could follow the North Korea method of border control.

 

It was not perfect, but it helped defend China against the barbarians for centuries. That it ultimately failed due to politics is no argument against the effectiveness of the wall as a defensive tool.

 

whaaaaa, WAAAAA!

 

With this statement, are you making the assumption that it is the US that is responsible for the entire globe's adherence to human rights? If not, where is the limit? What is the exact parameter in which the burden of the responsibility of the human rights of the globe infringe upon the human rights of US citizens? In other words, how much labor and property owned by the citizens of the US is owed toward the responsibility of global human rights minimum. When do you want to right up legislation stating that all US citizens are required to relinquish this amount as part of a revision to immigration law?

 

What does looks and speech have to do with anything? Are you saying that the number is 14 million? I have heard a wide range of estimates. Also, is 9 million* too much for the entitlement/redistributive system to burden? Will this require increased budget allocation? Why should citizens be burdened with this cost? Let’s get past the racial outrage and emotional human rights arguments and arrive at what cost are the American tax payers obligated to cover in your mind.