Why I'm done convincing diehard Trump Supporters

no fly zone i like it

 

well, the drug cartels sure appreciate your opinion. Trust me. I know a guy. And since when do we stop people and demand papers? We arrest and deport illegals who are in trouble already. Which is why theres so many. I remember whem we started offering ids to illegals. And not so we could catch them. Pretty stupid.

 

I'm not saying the US is responsible for the rest of the globe at all. Weaving law and human rights together is the sole responsibly of other countries in my eyes. The US would be a good example for starters in doing so. Since I don't advocate for the US taking responsibility for other nations immigration systems (although I'd say forming partnerships in terms of vetting would be a good effort), it really makes your other questions irrelevant, with all due respect.

I can't say when I can "write up legislation" since I'm not a politician. I can certainly start up a petition, or some sort of activism.

 

If you re-read my post you may be able to tell why your response does not address what I said.

 

Actually it addresses it very well.

You said it's not a crime to cross the US border without approval.

I said go cross another country's border and see if they regard it as an illegal action. Here's a hint, they do.

For example, it's a felony in Mexico to illegally enter their country.

 

I've never heard of anyone who lives here with the intent of permanence, but "refuses to be an American".

And, the actually learn English at a high rate.

There are two different issues.
- how do we stop more from coming.
With this one, let's remember that the number of undocumented aliens in America has STOPPED INCREASING. It did so in 2008, when we had the crash. Jobs weren't available. We can make jobs not available by using e-verify. But, we can also note that even without that, the number here is not increasing. So, we COULD declare success - and maybe figure out how to be more efficient with our border budget of billions that we already are spending.

- what do we do with those who are here.
These people include those who are working, aren't committing crimes, don't know any other country (because they came here young), etc.

The best solution here is free market capitalism. We need their work. When they are legal, employers don't have any special leverage on them, minimum wage and other employment law applies, etc. Thus, anyone can compete with them for jobs. By being legal, they can contribute to policing (since they don't have to fear contact).

Every state understands why statutes of limitation are important.

 

No. I did NOT say that.

This is an important point:

Being here without papers is NOT a crime.

Crossing the border illegally IS a crime.

 

If you make it a crime, then every deportation has to be treated in criminal court with full criminal procedures and rights of defendants being honored.

As it is, deportations can be handled as a federal civil procedure.

 

Balto, I don't understand your frustration, you did convince many......of how wrong your arguments are, how infected by the media they obviously are. Don't discount your usefulness, highlighted error is helpful.

 

It's already a crime to enter and/or stay in the country "improperly".
https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/act.html

This doesn't mean that charges have to be pressed and put through the courts, but it's certainly possible.

 

Two points:

One: You feel so justified in telling us what a liar or fool or reckless individual Trump is. And yet, you fail on purpose to address the far, far, far more egregious sins, lies and cover ups of Hillary and Obama. This is laughable if there were not so much at stake.

Two: Maybe you people need to take a class in honesty. This isn’t about Trump! It is about people in America who are fed up and sick to death of leftist godless policies and priorities. And sick of what the left has ignored to it becoming extremely serious crises. We voted against the LEFT as much as Hillary! We voted for the RIGHT as much as Trump.

Now go pretend you got it all figured out for those clueless enough to listen to you.

 

You want to allow usurpers the right to stay. How does that not embolden others to come in illegally?

 

You aren't getting it at all.

The point is that if you make it a crime, then those you accuse have far more rights than they do now - on rules of evidence, the right to a jury trial, the right to a defense attorney, etc.

 

The majority of the people who voted voted for Clinton.

And, abstract claims of past sins is not an excuse for what we see today. Congress investigated Obama for years and found nothing, while lame right wingers sucked on Brightbart fake news and got profoundly confused.

But, you've got Russia on your side. And, I'll admit that is an advantage.

 

LOL, no one is going to convince any die hard partisan for a political party, for a candidate or office holder of anything. Minds are as closed as the vault that holds our gold at Ft. Knox. Trump supporters will always think he was/is the best thing since sex and peanut butter regardless of what he does or says. The same thing holds true of Clinton supporters, Republican and Democratic die hards. You're wasting your breath of typing here to try to change their minds on anything.

 

I have a big problem with lots of things he's done so far. Everything from endorsing ryancare when he ran on repealing obamacare, to deciding to spend 16 billion dollars so that nasa can send a bunch of government employees to Mars.

It was a binary choice all up until democrats gave me no choice when they nominated Hillary.

 

Total Hooey.It'd be like saying in the olden days having a
Cop { or Copper } on every city block walking the beat does little to
curb crime.Just total stupidity.It existed because it worked.
It was hardly foolproof as many a Film Noir can attest.
But like Immigration Law and Prodecure followed TO THE LETTER
since Ellis Island ... it worked pretty good.
And Obama's Immigration lawlessness was Intentional.
It was done for 2 reasons.To substantially INCREASE possible
Democrat Voters and also because Obama will never be taken to
task.And it proved to be exactly that.

 

Democrats alone could not possibly cause Trump's favorables to bottom out like they have.

And, his health care plan scored a 17%. That means not even HALF of Republicans liked what they saw.

 

You have said nothing to refute what I said.

All you have done is to step forward and become the example of exactly what I am talking about.

I cannot help you.

 

As noted. they have forms, we have forms....

 

The lie that your desires are any different than those of the former Soviet Satellites.

 

Lying? Me?

That is hilarious.

Remember this...

"I want to cut illegal aliens from being able to receive American benefits and incentives (welfare of course). I want harsher punishments for those found here illegally. I want to beef up CBP so we can actually patrol all of the broken lines, like every other country does."

"Forgot?" Please. Your dogma doesn't allow punishing "producers" for anything. You didn't forget it because it's not even in your thoughts.

 

You don't even attempt to make sense anymore

 

It failed. Perhaps more than a million people died building the wall. Much of the treasury spent in building the wall. It failed.

It failed. Remember that one thing. It failed.

 

OK as long as you include those people as taxpayers. You first.