Why I'm done convincing diehard Trump Supporters

So far, I've seen no attempt to justify the wall based on the war on drugs.

Are you proposing that this is the best way to spend 20B or 30B more on the war on drugs?

Can you cite something on how much this will reduce illegal drug imports?

 

Not necessary. The wall was a big part of Trump's campaign promises. It's gonna be built whether you like it, or not. That's what people want.

 

No. I was just correcting an incorrect statement.

 

Like his promise to repeal obamacare

 

It was several threads over several articles. I remember one from the wash post. Reform will not instantly raise their wages. They will not pay income tax until they get above 49% of the population. When they get below 40% receiving assistance, we can begin talking about how long it will be before they contribute net zero in income taxes.

 

I am not sure I agree with imposing another group that will take time to catch up with the average American when we already have other groups.

Also, the 100% spending families' subsidy being a stimulus doesn't hold up with all things considered. Basically, you have to assume additional utility goes into a mattress.

 

I'm not commenting on that.

My point is that it is profoundly stupid to spend $20B tax dollars (or more?) without there being a justification.

What happened to the conservatives who used to be in the Republican party? Did they really all become Democrats??

There ARE things we could do concerning the undocumented aliens in the US - and it would cost FAR FAR less and achieve actual goals.

 

There is ample evidence that those who are living below the poverty line are spending the money they can get their hands on.

Even employees who have 401k plans are notorious for paying the penalties to get their money out of savings plans so they can spend it.

I'm not sure what you mean in your first paragraph. I agree that citizens have a significant advantage and I agree that no significant change is going to result in an instant final result. However, economics isn't a zero sum game. And, I really do believe in free market capitalism when it comes to our labor market as long as there is some basic regulation - such as minimum wage, working conditions, etc.

 

The justification is that we want it. That's all the justification you need. Trump won, and he won by saying we're gonna build a wall. You weren't elected POTUS, so whatever you think of the wall is irrelevant.

 

Healthcare is a bigger problem than building a wall. He needs congress to pass something for him to sign. No doubt he'd sign off on repealing it if he gets the chance, but it's gotta get through congress first.

 

Yeah.....he has to blame someone

 

All that has to happen with Obozocare is killing the mandate and BS taxes related to that clusterfuck piece of legislation rammed down America's throats. Obozocare will die a slow death anyway without any help, but take it off the resuscitator. The Skidmark in Chief knew it was a POS even when he rammed it through congress but he made sure it would not croak before he was out of office. Planned obsolescence for a POS program. Pull the plug and let that crap die now. We were better off prior to that BS, it was never a picnic but now it's a like turd in a punchbowl, no one can have a drink.

 

Even that has to pass through congress.

I'm guessing that he's busy using that debt ceiling as leverage to get what he wants. It's an incredibly powerful way to blackmail congress, and if he just let's this chance to fly by, he really is everything the democrats say he is.

Obama used it to get what he wanted, and congress caved. Now it's Trump's turn, and they'll cave just like before.

 

1. You are assuming that velocity is higher in hands that consume things as opposed to investing. 2. You are assuming that the economy is in a state that benefits from velocity. Currently, I would contend both.

I am saying that I would rather allocate resources toward improving the lot of current citizens before we inundate the system with more people that can't fully support themselves and their family. Secondly, these new people will further deteriorate the situation of those citizens currently needing assistance. Keep in mind, my first option is to do away with the redistribution state and let the chips fall where they may, but we aren't currently playing under those rules.[/QUOTE]

 

And, again, I'll trust CNN over your "remembrances."

 

Sure, I never go with a single source when they tell me something that defies logic, but hey, what ever works or doesn't for you.

 

Logic works for me. Right wing tirades do not.

 

OK, now you need to go read something about how American government works - because you aren't even within a country mile on that.

 

You forgot to mention Wikileaks.

 

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No, I did not suggest that investment is irrelevant.

The catch is, investment dollars can be readily available at a time when people don't have the money to buy what might be created.

For example, in the last recession, there were lots of investment dollars to be had. The catch is that people were losing their homes and weren't spending. Remember Bush asking people to spend??!!

Today, too, there are lots of investment dollars. Interest rates have been very low. Money has been easily available.


And, assuming these people can't support themselves when the test case involves making it ILLEGAL for them to WORK is just plain absurd. The very fact that they are living here under those conditions for a DECADE in many cases is strong evidence of their resilience.