Why I'm done convincing diehard Trump Supporters

it was about the nobility of man, and his desire to fight for freedom. The "horrific pigs" that ran the prisons were merely the antagonists necessary to the plot.

 

When liberals take down their gated communities and remove the doors to their houses, allowing anyone who wants to live there to do so, then I will listen.

When there are refugees housed in Washington DC and

Until then they can ****.

 

Supporting a cold blooded killer ? See its hard to follow you guys . Are you talking about Putin?

 

I understand that Clinton converted the Democratic Party and millions of Democrats to now be members of the replacement Democratic Party, which is the International Corporate Fascist party run by the global super rich and mega international corporations.

To no surprise, you are unable to convince Trump to join you in cheering 100,000,000 Americans without jobs and wanting all remaining industry jobs to go overseas to foreign sweatshops too, while jobs in America that cannot be sent overseas should will paid the absolute minimum by assuring a glut of employees via an endless wave of millions upon millions more immigrants - for which there already is a shortage of 10s of millions of jobs. To make up the difference, you want the US government via taxes on those who do have jobs to subsidize the super rich and mega corporations with welfare, reducing tens of millions of Americans to beggars of the government - victims of international corporate fascism.

Yes, you want everything - all government, all laws, all media and press outlets and all social attitudes - to exist solely for benefit of the super rich and mega corporations of the world, which is also why you want the 70+ year old Cold War against the USSR - that has not existed since the 1980s - to continue so the super rich can continue to make trillions off of that too.

You are correct, diehard Trump supporters will never agree with you on any of that, not now, not ever. So will tens of millions of other Americans.

It is PC within the Democratic Party to totally despise the USA and all Americans, and want the USA driven down to the level of the poorest countries in the world as punishment for what they claim is the evil past of the USA, to many of them the most evil country to ever have existed. Trump supporters will never agree to that either.

You are correct. You are wasting your time on us.

 

Since you apparently do not know, "America First" was the slogan of those who opposed attempts to aid Britain in WWII before Pearl Harbor. They were isolationists who didn't want to get involved.
Care to guess the German anthem? Deutschland uber Alles - Germany above everything. Ultra-nationalism - and trade barriers - were the main causes of WWII.
Those that do not learn history are condemned to repeat it.
I particularly object to "Make America Great Again". That implies we aren't great now, but were in the past. I disagree, I say we ARE great, and even if we weren't, I certainly don't think we will improve with a spoiled, immature, egotistical liar with multiple bankruptcies running things.

 

Why do any of the illegals need to live in the USA? What grand purpose do they hold that makes them beneficial? The only argument thus far that hasn't been emotional are the jobs they do. But even in that situation they're being paid illegally, below the minimum wage for their pay(Preventing low wage earners from acquiring a job), and steal identities to pose as someone else. They only benefit is for businesses that desire an indentured servant/slave underclass with zero rights... It applies almost entirely for temporary work visas in regards to an underclass.

 

Ok, so looking after own interests means we'll be gassing Jews in a couple years.

 

That is a stupid comment. Did you think that was funny?

 

Being here without papers is NOT A CRIME.

 

Your question misses any valid point, I think - as you can tell if you decide to ask it of all of us. That is, why does anyone have to live here.

I agree with your objection to having an underclass of cheap labor that has no rights.

We have statutes of limitation on every crime, misdemeanor and even debt (other than a short list of super serious offenses such as a few forms of murder).

That's a standard part of US philosophy on law enforcement. Every state has such laws. They are there for good reason.

For those who have been here longer than about 5 years it's totally effective and warranted from a humanitarian stand point to simply allow them to reside and work here.

That would end the underclass of cheap labor problem, as all those here could compete on an equal footing.

Given that, I'd be fine with requiring e-verify to end the attraction of US employment to those not here. The crash of 2008 stopped the growth in numbers of undocumented aliens. E-verify would present the same conditions - no jobs.

 

Then that's something we need to address now that republicans own the federal government.

 

Go sneak across a border somewhere and see if they concur.

 

Because debating conservatives is like watching paint dry. Each and every time.

 

He's saying that it's not a crime here. Sure, it's a crime in every other country, but for some reason, it's not a crime in the states.

It's something that we need to address. Forget healthcare for a minute, and let's tackle this issue of being able to stay in the country without citizenship or a valid visa.

Why the hell do they even issue visas, since it's not illegal to just waltz right past those immigration guys?

oh... umm... because it is a crime to be in the country illegally. I's just BS thrown out to say that we don't even need immigration officials in airports. In reality, it really is illegal to be in the country unless you are allowed to be here.

But you know how our friends on the left are. Completely dishonest

 

Hard to convince us Trump supporters of left wing lies.

 

The problem with this is that these people started off breaking the law and continue to do so. They did it to better themselves and I understand that. But why do they refuse to be an American? Why don't they assimilate/adopt American values like everyone else has in the past? They don't learn the history or the language either. Setting an arbitrary amount of years of acceptance only permits people to break the law until they're accepted. Because the next round of sympathy cases will continue. You either stop it or you don't. There is no middle ground.

 

That's completely wrong.

Illegal immigrants do the jobs, liberals are qualified for....

 

Yeah, and I'm sure when they were building the Berlin wall they told people it was for their own protection.

A wall is a wall. Its purpose is to keep things from crossing. Trump's wall is no different than East Germany's wall.

 

Yeah there are thousands upon thousands of Americans trying to sneak into Mexico everyday. In the former Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries the mines were on their side of the wall and the machine gun positions were sighted to kill people climbing that wall on their side. Our side will have border patrols. Walls are force multipliers they are useless by themselves. Walls mean you need less people to patrol a given area.

 

You're partially correct, in that the Berlin wall was erected to stop emigration as well as immigration. Trump, nor anyone else proposes restricting emigration. In fact, Trump, and his immigration reform supporters seem truely disappointed that Rosie, and Whoopie haven't made good on their pledge to do just that. Via con dios muchachas!

 

We tried that under Reagan it failed and wound up opening the flood gates.

 

A wall is a wall. Rationalizing it does not change its purpose.

 

And your point with this redundant nonsense is precisely what?

 

that's what they tell you today. But the lie they tell you today does not change the fact that the action is no different than walling off East Berlin. Of course, if I go to the wall from the American side and start digging a tunnel no one will try to stop me, right?

 

That walling ourselves in lie a Soviet satellite is UNAMERICAN.