There is a solution to school shootings

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Movies and mom's, that's my theory. These school shootings started about the same time as mom's started working and Hollywood started glamorizing graphic violence. Maybe mom's should be happy driving an old beater station wagon like mine did instead of a brand new Lexus and then maybe they would stay home and raise their kids. Maybe Hollywood should stop portraying cold blooded killers as cool guys to be emulated and revered.
     
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    1. Columbine happened 4 or 5 years after the Clinton AWB ban.
    2. This kid passed the background check. Now, maybe we need to add "expelled from school" to the prohibited persons list.
    3. Irrelevant to this shooting.
    4. Don't know how many shots per magazine he took.
    5. He chose this school because he had gone there.
    He was a nutcase.
    Not sure.

    This kid, as most of the school shooters, provided plenty of clues as to his future. Everybody ignored them.
     
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    Ignorance of the problem will not produce a viable solution to the problem. None of your proposed solutions to the problem display any understanding at all of the problem.

    An assault weapon ban is a platitude to appease people who have no understanding of firearm design and function. Do you know that with a drill I can easily convert any semi automatic weapon to simulate fully automatic fire by simply putting a cam into the chuck and using it to rapidly pull the trigger? Any one. Including semi auto shotguns, which no one realizes they are talking about when they are talking about banning all semi auto weapons.

    Better background checks do nothing to prevent straw purchases, theft, or first time offenders. A background check would not have “solved” Columbine, Aurora, Virginia State, Newtown, (any of them, really)

    A bump stock is nothing more than a spring. A bump fire can be accomplished with a rubber band, a belt loop, or even nothing more than a loose grip and shoulder pressure. Gonna ban those?

    Like the bump stock, a magazine is just a box with a spring in it. They are cheap and easy to make. I can 3D print one for you in a snap.

    EVERY one of your proposed “solutions” is exactly like trying to solve the problem of cancer by banning meat eating. Not only is not all cancer caused by meat eating, there’s not sufficient evidence to draw a causal link between the two.

    You don’t solve the reason why someone is motivated to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible by banning firearms. The firearm does not create that motivation. It’s something else.
     
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    Republican idea on gun legislation - do nothing and scoop up money from the NRA. 95% of Americans want strengthened gun registration of ALL gun sales. 95% in favor, 4% opposed. So who does Congress represent voters or the NRA to ask is to answer. Wait, wait, lets do mental health screening. Sure, where does the money come from since congress voted to cut mental health screening. So that's a laugh.

    When I grew up, shotguns, rifles and the rare handgun were found in sporting goods store with knotty pine walls and pictures showing a father and son hunting a corn field with their Springer Spaniel. Now, guns stores resemble a military arsenal - hundreds of semi-auto handguns and military assault weapons. Where did that start?

    So let's ban bump stocks, semi-auto assault weapons, high capacity magazines, and refine our gun background checks. Then again, let's knuckle under to the NRA an DO NOTHING. What's a few hundred kids shot up in school? Guns are WAY more important than kids. PS. I own 6 guns and I am an amateur gunsmith. I don't need a lecture on how guns function.
     
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    I’m not suggesting doing nothing. I’m suggesting the thing you want to do will have zero effect. You might as well do a anti violence dance, for all the good your suggestions will do.
     
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    We used to institutionalize mentally ill people.
     
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    May I point out to you all those things you suggest are laws. When did criminals EVER obey laws???????
     
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    There have probably been people killed by kittens and Popsicle sticks but if is much harder to do than with a gun. Yes, it would be great to eliminate people wanting to kill but even the most liberal amongst us do not see that happening anytime soon. In the mean time I'd like to make it harder to kill than to just pull a trigger. Again, can you point me to the case of a three year old killing his sister, friend, parent, neighbor, anyone with a kitchen knife? People are more careful with their knives around children than guns and that is ignorant.
     
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    And what if the teachers don't want to be armed? then what?
     
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    The family that took him in after his mother died said he brought the gun with him. His mother died a few months ago, and his dad had died when the kid was in early childhood. You can get a bottom of the line AR for about $500. This kid was smart and used the emergency systems against the school.
     
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    The NRA is meaningless without the people that support it. Politicians aren’t scared of the NRA. Politicians are representives of the people that support the NRA. The NRA speaks on behalf of a large group of people. People elect politicians. Ergo...
     
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    Like that movie, a clockwork Orange. That had it's problems too.
     
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    Of course it is your theory...anything to let men off the hook for taking responsibility for their own actions.....but maybe it's because women are so much better and stronger and more moral and more decent and DO NOT go around shooting up school children like MALES do...


    You could not refute one word of :

    OH YA, "too many working MOM'S"....be sure to always blame women for every evil......the MALES do the shooting and the women get blamed....pure crap.

    How about higher wages so ONE PARENT CAN stay home?

    Or do you want women at home bearing all the responsibility for raising the kids so SHE can be blamed for what they do and daddy gets off with no blame since he isn't ever home...????


    How about the fact that there's too much emphasis on war and shooting guns as "good" and "honorable" and, HAHA, "manly" ???












    Men who blame others for their failures are not men.....but little boys who couldn't grow up....
     
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    Sorry but it's nature's way. Mom's stay home and nourish while men go out and provide. Now with two providers and zero nourishers we have school shootings. Add in kids coming home to an empty house spending all afternoon watching violent movies and or playing violent video games and you have a bomb waiting to go off.
     
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    WTF ever is "nature's way" ? I'm suspecting it's YOUR way but it does NOT rule, it is NOT a law.

    It is people who want to shirk their own responsibilities onto others..


    ......AND an excuse for you not to be able to address nor refute a word of my post.









    Of course it is your theory...anything to let men off the hook for taking responsibility for their own actions.....but maybe it's because women are so much better and stronger and more moral and more decent and DO NOT go around shooting up school children like MALES do...


    You could not refute one word of :

    OH YA, "too many working MOM'S"....be sure to always blame women for every evil......the MALES do the shooting and the women get blamed....pure crap.

    How about higher wages so ONE PARENT CAN stay home?

    Or do you want women at home bearing all the responsibility for raising the kids so SHE can be blamed for what they do and daddy gets off with no blame since he isn't ever home...????


    How about the fact that there's too much emphasis on war and shooting guns as "good" and "honorable" and, HAHA, "manly" ???












    Men who blame others for their failures are not men.....but little boys who couldn't grow up....
     
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    He's just telling you how it is in Russia.

    Bots be bots
     
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    The school had police security.

    /thread
     
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    Women have the baby. They breastfeed the baby. They nurture the baby. This has been the way it's done since the dawn of man. Suddenly women decided they wanted to abstain from that and join the work force. Now we have record high teen pregnancy, drug addiction and school shootings. Connect the dots.
     
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    Just a dumb idea. The solution is what Canada, Australia, Europe and Japan does. Lets finally start doing what works
     
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    I could probably come up with the accidental knocking over of the space heater that burned the house down, of the pushed the sibling into the pool while roughhousing.. or many other scenarios that are to a group all accidental in nature.

    Yes, it is easy to pull a trigger. It is also just as easy to do many other things that have calamitous risks.
     
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    The belief that men should behave more like woman is a belief that is biologically untenable. If men aren’t taught to understand themselves like men, they cannot be expected to be able to understand their own male behavior. It’s like a rabbit trying to raise a fox to be a rabbit.

    It’s statistically significant that males produced by single parent female heads of household are responsible for higher rates of violent crime in their male children. Why do you believe that is?

    The welfare state has significanly increased the single parent household percentages. One parent staying home in a one parent home does not solve the problem. Both male and female children are best regulated with appropriate male and female role models in the home. If you’re missing one, you’re likely to raise a child that’s missing half the skills of a child with both.

    A father that doesn’t take responsibility for the child is the same whether or not they work or are completely absent. No one works 8760 hours a year.

    I think the problem is the hedonistic humanism of the left. People are encouraged to do whatever makes them personally happy regardless of how that behavior effects society as a whole. It’s the shifting of personal responsibility for behavior on to the state that is to blame. Do what you want. Don’t worry about consequences. Be impulsive. Be reactive. Be angry and make sure everyone knows how you feel.

    Someone who cannot find happiness in a world where happiness is the supposed end game will be motivated to destroy that world out of spite. And by using that behavior model above, they’ll have little instruction to behave otherwise.
     
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    :) Oh baloney! "We do NOT have "record high teen pregnancy" anymore than we ever had, drug addiction has been around since forever and school shootings are due to men thinking violence is the answer to everything.


    ...and you still haven't refuted one word of my post:


    WTF ever is "nature's way" ? I'm suspecting it's YOUR way but it does NOT rule, it is NOT a law.

    It is people who want to shirk their own responsibilities onto others..


    ......AND an excuse for you not to be able to address nor refute a word of my post.









    Of course it is your theory...anything to let men off the hook for taking responsibility for their own actions.....but maybe it's because women are so much better and stronger and more moral and more decent and DO NOT go around shooting up school children like MALES do...


    You could not refute one word of :

    OH YA, "too many working MOM'S"....be sure to always blame women for every evil......the MALES do the shooting and the women get blamed....pure crap.

    How about higher wages so ONE PARENT CAN stay home?

    Or do you want women at home bearing all the responsibility for raising the kids so SHE can be blamed for what they do and daddy gets off with no blame since he isn't ever home...????


    How about the fact that there's too much emphasis on war and shooting guns as "good" and "honorable" and, HAHA, "manly" ???












    Men who blame others for their failures are not men.....but little boys who couldn't grow up....
     
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    Good to see you not blame women for what MEN do.....
     
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