Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'

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Prove it. The fact is you have no proof or evidence he said any such thing to the Russian ambassador and just made it up.

 

As far as everything about sanctions, yes and I would ask you for evidence to the contrary? What exactly can Trump do that you would not say is a 'TV stunt'. Defence spending is up from Obama's and the Russians now face the opposition better armed than ever before, how is that good for them? How exactly does Ukraine being able to defend itself better benefit Russia?

 

It has not been proven at all and anyone informed on the matter would know that. Dodge noted try again

Prove it.

 

It's not what he can do, it's the fact that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump get elected......that's the back drop that everything must be framed with. Ukraine was given those weapon to stop them from cooperating with Mueller re. Manafort with also benefited Russia by limiting their exposure re Ukraine as well.

 

Please, your in-ability to defend alternative facts are circular. The hamster wheel can go faster.

 

And China helped Bill Clinton get elected? In both cases the effect was probably negligible. Plus again, I ask you for proof as to motivations?

 

China helped Clinton? List you source and references. In addition "whataboutism" is a fake news/propaganda technique and still does not allow one to ignore facts that Russia's stepping boy is in the WH right now.

 

Uh oh---

https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...ws-hosts-wrong-no-law-forbids-russia-trump-c/

 

Yeah, these folk are susceptible to the pipe........it truly is amazing that 3 out of 10 will believe anything that are told even if it's total BS. Gregg Jarrett is a total crackpot shill, he is not even close to being a credible source much-less a journalist.

 

When I get a response like that, I know that the far right knows deep down that the wheels are coming off the circus train!

I saw this pattern with right wing denials of the growing evidence that there were no WMD's in Iraq, and that the Bush Administration fell for a con.

Just about the time everything becomes undenabily obvious, and public opinion sharply turns, the right always does this.

They start denying even elementary facts of the scandal in progress. Total, abject, dont-confuse-me-with-facts denial.

How many links would you like? i just Googled"Flynn talked to Kislyak". I only got 134,000 hits.

Here's one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c2cf509efe5_story.html?utm_term=.fb37888a79b3

 

Well stated.

There's not only a **** ton of publicly available sources, but to suggest that you're magically obligated to "prove" an entire case to a Trumper's satisfaction online is just silly.

And they know it, deep in their orange loins.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017...clinton-reelection-campaign-media-downplayed/

 

How does that equate to Russia laundering money through Trump, bailing Trump out from his last almost personal bankruptcy, bankrolling his businesses, undermining the 2016 election by helping Trump "win" the election and now helping with the coverup. Look hard at how many Russians died directly after Trump's "win". And, how many Russians were pulled back to Russia and retired as diplomats. And you want to compare that the so Clinton/China donation? Trump owes the Russians which means he is owned by the Russians. That's a NS threat to America and the free world.

 

How is that different from China bankrolling Clinton exactly? Which Russians died exactly? And the people pulled back to Russia means what exactly? Clinton actually owes the Russians big time, Uranium One etc, was she owned by them?

 

It's very different for all of the points made in the post you quoted but choose to simply ignore with your partizan hat on. Did China work with the Clinton campaign to rig the Clinton/Bush Sr. election? Answer is simply no. There is little or no doubt that Russia owns Trump. Why do you think Minuchin is going to the hill today.....lifting Russian oligarch sanctions and getting zero in return unless it's for him to keep his mouth shut about Manafort and Trump?

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...onaire-tied-clinton-scandal/story?id=33990683

 

Nobody trusts Trump, except the older right wing talk radio crowd, which will go down with the Trump ship. Years from now, Trumpsters will be trolling forums like this with false claims about Trump's imaginary victories, and they'll make him into a deplorable folk hero, like their fathers did to John Birch and Joe McCarthy.

A cult of personality is shrouded in manufacured myth and its devotees cling to it like a crack pipe.

The rest of the world already knows better.

 

Your link does not address any point made in my post you quoted.......Trump has multiple examples of people he has associated with for decades being arrested and incarcerated.

 

The RW radio crackpots don't trust Trump.....to them he is a tool but what they have done is dance with the Russian "devils" to get their agendas through. That will have a massive price once exposed.

 

It seems to be a conservative affliction to be incapable of drawing analogies that make sense.

 

When I get a response like that I know you can't support the statement of fact you made. Prove Trump told the Russians he was going to reverse the sanctions or admit you made it up.

 

It was the Ukraine Manafort was dealing with, who's armies by the way have been skirmishing along their mutual border with......Russia.

Russia fires on and seizes Ukrainian ships near annexed Crimea

Refresh my memory was it the Ukraine meddling or Russia? Hillary's server was hacked that was likely the leak that got the Russian spies killed.

What about the $2.3 million dollar donation from the Russians after the Uranium One deal?

 

So do the Clinton's and you guys didn't care about foreign influence back then so now your cries are just hypocritical bullshit.

 

I'm sure you think so.

 

You seem to be hung up in the 90s still.......you need to keep up with the times.