Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'

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  1. TomFitz

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    I don't think that is going to happen.

    Donald Trump has the mind of a 13 year old with a chip on his shoulder.

    Watched the way he talked himself out on a limb with his stupid wall and then grabbed the saw.

    He has no character, sense of responsibility or sense of duty. His only reality is the present.

    He will almost certainly try and tough it out all the way through, including, waiting up till the very last minute before deciding whether to run for re election, and changing his mind at the last minute, and then doubling down on his sudden change of heart.

    He might even lead an abortive third party run.
     
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    Oh, yeah, Trump is going to be miserable.
     
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    Yet it was Corn that exposed the Steele dossier's existence not Isikoff.......FACT. If you need a way out of misinformation I will give it.
     
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    Bringing Trump down is not the objective.

    Right now, Pelosi and Schumer have Trump pretty much right where they want him.
     
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    It's what happens when folks have the poor judgement to believe the Daily Caller.
     
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    I repeat

    "Michael Isikoff, the journalist who was first to report allegations from the Steele dossier, said in a new interview that many of the salacious allegations in the document are “likely false.”

    The investigative reporter who broke the first story based on allegations from Christopher Steele offered a surprising assessment of the former British spy’s infamous dossier, which alleges a vast conspiracy of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government."
    https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/17/michael-isikoff-steele-dossier/
    Refute it if you want, your distinctions without merit are a trivial matter.

    That being said
    The burden is on the accuser to prove the accusation. You have ZILCH evidence to support any of them.
     
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    Refute it then.
     
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    You were given a way out but can't accept it. Sorry, I was David Corn that exposed the existence of the Steele Dossier, you have been misinformed at the very least.
     
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    The first post with link I made in this thread did.....you simply refuse to or just can't accept it. Carry on in the dark, hopefully it's a choice.
     
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    They would if they could.
     
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    Well...... you both are partly right, as I understand it.

    Isikoff's 9/23/16 article on Page refers several times to "reports" about Page's activities... Obviously later to be identified as the Steele dossier... Isikoff doesn't mention Steele or any other background about how the info was gathered, but technically, he was probably the first to report something from the dossier (some of which was written after this article)

    Corn's 10/31/16 article refers to a "the former western intelligence officer" and discusses how Steele (not named) was tasked with writing his dossier... much more detailed, since he had the full dossier by this time.

    At the end of the day, I truly call it 50/50 who exposed the Steele Dossier to the public. Funny that they both ended up co-writing a book about the entire deal... I wonder if they have this conversation??
     
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    Conjecture and supposition by some blogger refutes nothing. Facts do, evidence does. There is nothing in your cite that proves the key points of the dossier as I already show that it does not.
     
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    The law requires that evidence submitted having been verified and have some basis in fact, like they interview the accusers and witnesses of the allegations. Did they? Did they fully disclose the key element of that evidence that the DNC and Clinton campaign was the source of this unverified Russian dirt?
     
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    What crime was there probable cause to believe Paige had committed that require a warrant to listen in and intercept his communications? What was the verified evidence or testimony they presented?
     
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    Want to guess why Trump won't actually declassify the document.
     
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    The same applies to your OP except facts and timing do not support it. Every single thing Trump has done has benefited Russia and Putin.
     
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    He's holding his aces till 2020.
     
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    In the Whitehouse? For another 2 years and with the Senate, majority of governorships and SC in his pocket?
     
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    Sanctions, firing missiles at Syria, expelling Russian diplomats, boosting defence spending and tearing up arms limitation treaties?
     
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    I have urdged you to give serious thought to finding some reliable, or at least marginally factual sources of information instead of relying on dishonest right wing scream sheets, talk radio disc jockeys and trash blogs.

    You post false claims and cite the sources that fed you the lies, false claims, and sloppy journalism of right wing media on an almost daily basis.

    This has been going on for a long time. There are a few right wingers here that we in the rest of the country just watch so we can know both the themes the right wing noise machine are working each day, and how they are being recieved by the Trumpster audience.

    As I have noted before, fact never matter when peddling a right wing narrative as the audience always swallows the garbage, takes it at face value, and comes running back for more to be misinformed and lied to again and again.

    Your posts often illustrate that reality all too well.

    You,once again, are doubling down on a false claim. David Corn was indeed, the journalist who broke the "dossier" story, not Michael Issakoff, as Daily Balller falsely claims. Anyone with Google can confirm that from dozens of sources in less than a minute.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Trump told the Russians he was getting rid of sanctions, and he might have got away with it were it not for Flynn making it too obvious.

    He fired missled at Syria, not because of their brutality, but because they used poison gas. Assad and the Russians ignored Trump, and went back to using barrel bombs and poison gas. Trump did nothing. A year later, he did it again. This time, the Russians and the Syrians knew that they could ignore Trump)

    Now Trump is quiting the Levant, leaving the field open to Russia, Syria and Iran, barrel bombs, gas and all.

    The Trump Administration tried to give the Russians back their safe houses, the ones that Obama siezed.

    The Trump Administration did expel a few Russian diplomats. The Russians responded by expelling even more Americans. The Trump team did nothing.

    Tearing up arms control treaties is a unilateral act by the United States. Our allies were much more concerned about that than the Russians were.

    So, trying to make Trump look like a serious leader by mentioning these things (and particularly falsely characterizing them), does notwork.

    The Russians came out on top every time with the tacit approval of Trump.

    Every single time the Russians have met with Trump in the White House it was the Russians who gave the world the readout on what was discussed, not the White House itself. This has raised concerns throughout the foreign policy establishment for very obvious reasons. Indeed, Putin has already used Trump's surrender of control over messanging against Trump.

    Trump's weakeness is apparant in other ways too. Last year, to feed his ego, and make him appear "Presidential" theWhite House staged an elaborate pageant in Singapore with Kim Jong Un as the guest star. The North Koreans gave Trump nothing, and underlined that fact just a few weeks ago. Trump none the less, declared victory, and has been proting the idea that he and the North Korean dictator have. No one actually believes that. Fortunately for Trump, his audience does not care about it.

    Meanwhile, the Chinese are moving agressively to fill the vacuum created by Trump's abandonment of world leadership.
     
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    Share this opinion with the SC, it will help achieve the chosen goal. BTW, the bloggers are retired renowned Federal Prosecutors who are conservatives serving the constitution and the rule of law. Trump simply will not get a pass because his crimes are high crimes.
     
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    Are the sanctions congress passed being enforced by Treasury (not likely)? The false flag op of firing missiles into Syria after giving Russia and Syria the heads up first was a made for TV stunt. Expelling Russian diplomats was also a made for TV stunt after the world outcry. Defence spending is par for the course and the tearing up of arms limitations benefits Russia as they were in violation and unrestricted regardless.
    I am surprised you did not mention sending defensive weapons to Ukraine.......just in case. that was done to stop the Ukraine government to stop cooperating with Mueller on the Manafort crimes & conspiracy. that was also in Russia's benefit. Sorry.
     
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    He probably forgot that.

    But, maybe he just didn't want to be reminded that the Trump campaign repeatedly sent the Russians signals that he would do away with sanctions.

    He probably also does not want to be reminded that that was a one time deal.
     
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