Dossier fails the test of time; Trump-Russia collusion claims now called 'likely false'

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  1. Bluesguy

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    What crimes and again all your bloggers offered was suposition and conjecture and no evidence any if the charges are true or even by their own admission have been confirmed.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    Of do quote him telling the Russians that.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    When you can refute what I posted let me know.
    USA Today
    Reporter who broke Steele dossier story says ex-British agent's claims 'likely false'
    Yahoo News Chief Investigative Correspondent Michael Isikoff speaks during the panel discussion following the Yahoo News and Sony Pictures private screening of "The Front Runner" at The Metrograph on Nov. 12, 2018, in New York City
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/18/steele-dossier-michael-isikoff/2347833002/
     
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    Campaign finance violations, a felony and the most low hanging fruit. Then, there is obstruction of justice, money laundering, tax evasion, extensive corruption, conspiracy, bribery and maybe even treason since entering the WH.
     
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    You can't be serious......this post does not address what you quoted hence it's a dodge really. Wow.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    How have Putin and Russia benefitted from the new sanctions he placed in them, the expansion of our oil and gas exploration and exports, our killing his troops? What exactly has he directly done for their benefit?
     
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    They increased sanctions.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Still waiting

    When you can refute what I posted let me know.
    USA Today
    Reporter who broke Steele dossier story says ex-British agent's claims 'likely false'
    Yahoo News Chief Investigative Correspondent Michael Isikoff speaks during the panel discussion following the Yahoo News and Sony Pictures private screening of "The Front Runner" at The Metrograph on Nov. 12, 2018, in New York City
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/18/steele-dossier-michael-isikoff/2347833002/
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    As I said what crimes? Campaign finance reporting violations are dealt with civilly and certainly not impeachable and since his was not a violation.....and you no evidence of anything else on your list anymore than you didn to prove anything in the dossier.
     
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    Campaign finance was dealt civilly with Cohen.......really? Cohen is going to jail for a while. You are either woefully or willfully misinformed. Anyone that thinks it's not impeachable needs to look a Billy C. And yes, Mueller is on the evidence trail that's why he is feared by Trump and his supporters so much. BTW, your lack of credible facts and timeline makes this a waste of time for me. I am sure that's the point.
     
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    Cohen is facing jail for HIS personal tax and corruption problems. A candidate has every right to use their own money anyway they choose in a campaign including paying of NDA's which they would have paid for regardless of a campaign. If there was some reporting error, first it would be on the campaign not Trump personally and it would be a civil fine. But bottom line it was not campaign money.

    "President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned."
    https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784

    Did Obama go to jail?
     
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    It is the point... that guy is a Campaign Finance Violation denier from day 1 (ooh... I wish I could come up with something catchier than that.... little help?)

    I've stopped arguing the obvious point that, to-date, the SDNY Cohen plea is the largest legal AND political hammer facing Trump (pre Mueller of course)...
     
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    You really do have a gift for asking absurd questions!

    Don't you have even basic knowledge of the facts surrounding the Trump/Russia scandal?

    To some extent, this is a rhetorical questions. I'm not the only person here who has noticed that we have to keep reiterating basic established facts to Trumpsters who continue to pretend that the established record does not exist, and have to be continually reminded of even the most basic facts.

    This is the very reason Mike Flynn was forced to resign. And he pleaded guilty to lying to Congress and the FBI on this SPECIFIC fact.

    He spoke to Sergi Kislyak on the very day Obama imposed the sanctions and assured the Russians that Trump would reverse them. There was a great deal of speculation in Washington when Obama imposed the sanctions and the Russians did not respond. There was wide suspicion taht the Trump campaign was undermining the official US policy. Which, as it turns out, was exactly what happened.

    Of course, you dishonestly tried to move the goalposts by insisting on a direct quote from Trump,

    But that's not hard to find either.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38773608

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...tner-russia-sanctions-would-be-ripped-n827031

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/06/us/politics/document-Gowdy-Flynn-Letter.html



    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-guilty-plea-confirms-he-talked-russian-sanc/

    Of course, Trump DID lift sanctions on one part of the Russians oligarchy. He lifted sanctions on Oleg Deripashka, one of the oligarchs central to the Russia scandal and efforts to coopt Trump. Deripashka is the guy who owned Trump's campaign manager.
     
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    That rather obviously isn't true.

    Withing thirty days, a substantial number of Trump officials and cabinet officials will be anwering subpoenas from Congressional committees regarding their conduct and incidents arising from them. A lot of this has been reported, but not investigated (thanks in no small part to the wall of cover the GOP Congress and Senate committee chairs put up to block witnesses from being interviewed, documents from being obtained, and (heaven forbid) any witnesses getting anywhere near a television camera.

    All of this will represent a constant and ongoing political hammer, which has yet to fall.

    The SDNY plea for Cohen is the biggest legal issue facing Trump at the moment. No one expects it to remain that way long.
     
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    Says who? And you said

    Prove it.
     
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    Says all informed people that can think on their own.
    It's already been proven, do your research.
     
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    I'm not going to waste my time on your denial of well established fact. Especially since the links I posted established clearly that that is exactly what Mike Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about.

    This isn't a matter in question.

    I guess repeating yourself was supposed to distract folks from noticing that you danced right past my observation regarding Deripashka.

    Oh, and if there was any doubt that Trump was looking for an excuse to revoke Obama's Russian sanctions, then why did Congress do this, over the objections of the White House???????

    https://www.economist.com/united-states/2017/07/27/congress-does-not-trust-the-president

    Don't let the title fool you. By now, NOBODY trusts Trump.
     
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    They are the biggest conspiracy theorists around. There is supposed to be solid information of a crime before an Independent Counsel is sanctioned, there was not in this case.
     
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    With I predict, like the Mueller investigation, nothing to show for it. The new House crazies have nothing to help the lives of Americans, unlike Trump, their entire agenda is TDS, income redistribution, and pandering to phoney victim groups, like illegals.
     
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    So should Obama have been impeached for getting the biggest campaign finance violation fine up til that time?

    LOL, for firing Comey, like big name Dems wanted? If that is obstruction, then Rosenstein is a co-conspirator since he agreed and signed off on it.

    This must be Adam Schiff posting this BS here.
     
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    You know he's falling, the question is now, how hard.
     
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    Nobody you know trusts Trump. Trumps approval rating on the economy is 50% in favor and 42% against, he will be re-elected in 2020.
     
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    Since there is plenty of evidence to suggest that there will be quite a lot to show for it, and a lot of attempted evasions and talking of the fifth, you are indulging in Trumster wishful thinking on that score.

    We already knew that. After all. the most popular Trumpster line right now, is the claim that there is nothing to investigate because Trump hasn't been removed yet. This, is, of course, is a completely illogical supposition.

    It is not too hard to list the witnesses and records that Devin Nunes blocks from being requested, or the witnesses he refused to call (Grassley has a shorter list).

    The most obvious first question, is who did Don Jr call the minute after he was pitched on the Trump Tower meeting, and before he called back and set the meeting up.

    That call went to an "unknown" number. Don Jr communicates with his father that way. That is no secret.

    But Devin Nunes made sure that the House Intelligence Committee did not ask that question and interfered with the minority's attempts to determine that answers/.

    That will no longer be the case.

    That's just one. There are dozens.
     
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    About what?
     
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    1. I ask you to substantiate the first point
    2. He did more than Obama did
    3. Legally Trump had to
    4. You can't expel all of one another's diplomats, tit for tat only goes so far.
    5. Trump is not going to use his new weapons against America's allies?

    I think you'll find China's been on the rise for a while the chief criticism of Obama's foreign policy was that he was so weak towards them, Russia and Iran. The NK's destroyed their nuclear facilities and have instituted a closer relationship with SK.
    No one's trying to make Trump look like a serious leader but for you to say everything he does benefits Russia is simply untrue.
     

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