‘Press 2 for Spanish,’ Similar Programs Cost Billions, but Trump Could End It

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  1. rahl

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    it demonstrably is.

    no it doesn't.
    people walk up to existing walls now, and easily breach them, lol.
    because they completely shatter your ideology, using actual data? lol ok.
     
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    Most existing walls don't have a government agency tasked with protecting that area. The only real reason liberals don't want a wall is because they know it will work. Check out the White House, it has a wall and a government agency tasked with protection, and every breach has been handled with no harm to a US president in the modern era. Your argument fails, again...
     
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    it is a proven fact that they don't work. The border patrol showed you this, lol.
    so it is your belief that we will be able to have snipers patrolling the entire 2,000 mile southern border, ready to shoot someone when the cross the wall? lol
    my argument remains correct, as the data shows.
     
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    You are simply wrong. We need only use the Israeli model, their wall has been very effective. Other walls have been very effective. To say it isn't so is a lie and the data won't back your claims. Walls are a deterrent, and have been for thousands of years, your weak arguments will not change that. You act as though nobody would notice a 30 ft ladder being walked to a wall? Or that a 30 ft drop wouldn't leave broken invaders in its wake. The claim it won't work is simply false, no matter how many times you say otherwise...
     
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    I am demonstrably correct.
    because they have guys with guns and will shoot anyone trying to cross. We can't do that here.
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    the data does back my claims though.
    I'm not offering weak argument. I'm giving you the data, which shows you walls don't work.
    how would anyone notice? They don't notice now where walls are located, when people breach them. And why would they be falling 30 ft?
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    we know it wont' work. Border patrol proved it to you and trump, lol.
     
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    We would be perfectly within our rights to shoot invaders. We know what the real problem is, the wall will work and the wall will change the perception of the invader in the minds of Americans. As of now, the border is virtually unprotected. Any dirtbag can cross over, without causing damage or even investing in much to get here. With a wall, invader trash would need to damage US property, they would need to invest in the equipment to do so, and as such, decent Americans would oppose them more than they do now. Changing the perception of the invader trash would ruin the Democrat's dreams of getting them here for generations to come...
     
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    I dont have to tebutt wild guesses

    I simply do not believe it
     
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    Saving billions from programs like these, with an increase in American employees?

    Sounds like quite an incentive.
     
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    If the illegals obtain a drivers license in a motor voter state who is going to stop them from voting?

    The answer is no one
     
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    They aren't sure if walls work.

    Next week they will test out if fire is hot.
     
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    Not verified data.
     
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    I have posted links to the same report you have referenced at least three times on this thread alone.

    Your link takes the reader to a 2017 report. Did you notice that?

    Allow me to cut and paste the title:

    DHS Releases Fiscal Year 2017 Entry/Exit Overstay Report​

    Here is a link to the 2017 report I have linked in the thread already. I'll do it again.

    https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1009_S1_Entry-Exit-Overstay_Report.pdf

    Since we've cleared that up, what does the report say about how many of those 606,000 overstays were still in the US after 12 months?
     
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    Companies aren't incentivized by increasing American jobs. They wouldn't have begun outsourcing jobs in the first place if they were.
     
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    Trumps giving companies incentives to create jobs, and the market is responding.
     
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    And ... sorry, so what?
    Is there already a report for 2018? No ... and if you had read my post, then you would have seen that, too!

    And then a 2nd So what ...
    And how many of the illegal immigrants seized at the border in 2017 and 2018 are still in the US?
    So your question is completely superfluous and misleading, because I have clearly demonstrated that far more people are being caught with invalid visas than those who cross the border illegally! And there is nothing to discuss about the fact!
     
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    How many seized at the border are still in the US? You can get that information if you want to.

    What percentage of the people who have applied for asylum have been granted it? That information is published..

    What's the "gotaway" rate? That is the percentage of illegals they see crossing the border but were unable to apprehend. Any idea? That information is available from the DHS as well.

    What areas of the border have the most apprehensions? What type of border infrastructure is in place there? CBP publishes that information monthly.

    The left screams that we shouldn't be wasting money on walls, but spending money on technology. Do you have any idea what technology is currently deployed at the border? DHS/ICE/CBP publishes information regarding currently deployed technology.

    Every one of these points is critical to the question of what to do, and is there a crisis worthy of declaring a National Emergency. How much time has any of the left's MSM partners spent presenting facts regarding them?

    Perhaps people should stop barking in response to dog whistles and actually take some time to learn what is really going on.
     
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    Did you answer these questions of yourself with facts by your own?

    Again... over 600k people caught with invalid visa in 2017 versus 300k arrested illegals on Mexican border!

    What do you want to relativize here?
    What is the interest of how many asylums were granted in the US? Nothing! and so it is with the rest ... where the numbers actually speak exactly for what I say ... if you take the pure facts!
    But the main thing is to declare a National Crisis where none is at all and all facts speak against it ... and even more ... not one of Trump's claims can be factually substantiated!
     
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    If 100 people overstayed their visa, but only 6 were still in the country 12 months later, what relevance does counting 100 people have?

    Can you explain why anyone should include 94 people as being illegals when they aren't in country?
     
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    So American citizens should not be allow to get information from their government in a language they are more comfortable with as god himself had order only English should be allow in the US?

    If there was such a concern about non English being used in the US maybe we should just give back most of the Spanish and French speaking south west that we took by bayonet point to turn into slave states.
     
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    They were creating jobs under Obama, too.
     
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    sure, if we completely ignore the constitution then we would be within our rights to do so.
    but as I keep pointing out, we know the wall doesn't work. Border patrol showed you this.
    as has been proven over and over, a wall is quite easily defeated with a simple extension ladder, or a spade shovel.
     
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    Well, we know from experience that what you "believe" rarely reflects reality.
     
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    illegals of course can not vote in federal elections.
     
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    It's ok. We all know why you can't present data showing the DHS numbers are wrong.
     
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    Sez the guy who thought hillary would be the next president
     
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