77% of Students at Baltimore High School Are Reading at Elementary and Kindergarten Level

I think you have a repost. Also just noticed your source is from the mid 2000's. Mine is more updated.

 

While your example makes sense, too often diversity means a black person has to help with your homework no matter how poorly he speaks Spanish.

 

I don't know if desegregation "worked" but even if it did, that was the 70's, this is now. There are a much smaller percentage of white students in Public schools. In NYC, about 15% of the public school students are white. How do you slice and divide that small a percentage of students to provide desegregation?

 

If you read the study you will find that the researchers controlled for that and other variables.


Look, if you don;t care that Progressive cities are worse at educating minorities it is fine with me. I don't care either.

 

I have a solution that addresses that but doesn't embrace public education.

The governemnt should give every school age kid a voucher worth $10,000 annually they can take to any private school they want.

The schools may not charge any additional, and they use meet minimum academic standards through testing to remain open.

 

So don't have him help with the Spanish homework, and have him help with the math homework because he' good at math, and the Spanish friend can help with the Spanish homework. It's more complicated you're right. There are moments when having diversity can hurt. But it's not here.

 

That's like Los Angeles.

"Public" school means black and Hispanic students.

The White and Asian kids are in private school.

 

You had a trivia link. I had a study.

I care about those schools. Because those schools need more funding. We know this because property taxes and education gaps. Heck even in NY state with some of the highest levels of educational spending in the country the state was found to be unconstitutionally under-funding schools.

 

That's school choice and Democrats oppose it.

They don't want kids to be properly educated, they want them indoctrinated.

 

So you want the government to interfere with the marketplace of ideas. All you're doing is stifling the market and making it impossible for good schools to grow or something like that. Look do you want the government interfering with the market even more?

 

Of course a teacher getting the kids to engage is important. But that is just another thing to consider before money spent. You can have a teacher that can get the kids engaged in an underfunded school. Those kids can do better than kids in a school that is well funded but has a teacher that is a crap teacher.

I'm not saying that money isn't important. Like you said, its a good indicator for the amount of resources a school has vs doesn't have. But that is about all that its a good indication of.

 

Dude. It's not always about money.

If this high school is spending $10k per student per year, with a student teacher ratio of 16 to 1.

That means the classroom funding is $160,000 per class/teacher.

Average teacher wage is $73,000 (all these teachers screaming about low wages *eye roll*)

So where did the other $87,000 go?

 

Ok free market man. Let's abolish the dept of education and eliminate all taxes for schools at all levels.

Let the market roll.

 

Exactly. So if the normal distribution tells us anything, more money means better teachers because they have better training and more access to training.

Which is why when the OP mentioned the school having a budget a little over $1 million seemed low. There are about 950 kids in the high school. Which if the budget is $1 million then the average cost per student isn't $10,000. It's around $1100 per student. So the math doesn't seem right. As for teacher's pay? How much of that is reimbursements for things like classroom decorations, or the amount of hours spent working. The teachers quitting right now are saying they're expected to be working grading papers, coming up with lesson plans all day every day.

 

Yes because getting rid of the greatest social revolution on Earth will help prove to our kids that everyone is equal.

 

Of course I wouldn't. Might as well say I would want a serial killer as a friend when I was researching murder.

 

I'd start with Universal Pre-K, a concept supported by a clear majority of this country... that's when kids begin, and many develop a love for, reading...

https://civiqs.com/reports/2021/5/1...rt-universal-pre-k-and-free-community-college

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On average, Pre-K attendees were meeting reading benchmarks in the beginning and middle of first grade, while the no-preschool group was reading below the benchmarks during both time points. Findings strengthen the evidence base for the ability of public Pre-K to improve children’s literacy achievement in first grade
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https://ijccep.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40723-017-0040-z

 

Why not? Though to be fair if you didn't report your friend as a serial killer you might have more pressing issues going on.

 

If your serial killer friend is not incarcerated, you'd be a fool to turn down his ideas while doing your research. It's just another form of expertise disdained by the RW....

 

Everyone is not equal, and you couldn't make things equal if you tried.

That's a lesson too many don't want to learn.

If things were equal, Whoopie Goldberg would be cancelled.

Hunter Biden would be in jail.

Inner city schools wouldn't lower standards.

 

I feel like you're trying to derail the thread with off topic nonsense. And irrelevant because everyone still has equal rights regardless of where they were born in society. And this is shown through teaching universal ideas like everyone should be able to read and write.

 

Problem with this is how many accredited private schools are there? In my area there are two. One ONLY takes Christians that go to its church and is too small to handle even 1/8 of the kids in the area. The other one is designed for troubled teens that are court ordered to go. Essentially that means that 99.99% of the kids in my area would not have a school to go to.

Even if you take into account that private schools may open up if the public school system were to be shut down some areas are simply too small to make it profitable. I know one town that has a population of 400 and 5 miles from that town is another one that iirc has about 115 population. Together they make up the 150 students that goes to the K-12 school there in the larger town. At your price, 10,000 that is 1.5 million for a private school. In grades 9-12 you'll need a teacher for each subject. If you JUST teach the basics, Math, history, english, basic science, phys ed you'll need a minimum of 13 teachers. Plus the 8 additional teachers for grades K-8. Total of 21 teachers. Each making 40k minimum. Then there is a counselor, nurse, Principal, vice-principal, and at least 2 secretaries. Let's say the secretaries, nurse and counselor all make 40k also. The principal and vice principal make 60k and 50k respectively. (note: i'm going for extreme bare minimum here: LINK: Teacher Salary | Salary.com) that brings total of just paying for staff to $1,110,000. Then there is the price of all the materials needed to educate, since its private the owners will also be paying various taxes, like property tax. When all is said and done, that would make the area unprofitable for a private school to be ran. Which leaves them having to go to the nearest next biggest town 30 miles away, by their parents. In good weather that's a 30 minute drive. And they have to go through a pass that often closes in the middle of winter due to snow.

So really your idea would only work in mid to high density areas. Leaving many children out in the cold so to speak.

 

The inner city kids, raised in an urban culture that does not value education can't read and write so your ideals fall short in practice.

But even worse, you defend the machine behind this and perhaps oppose freedom of choice alternatives like vouchers and parochial schools.

 

As demand rises for private school and home schooling, new options will present themselves.

The covid Fiasco shows this quite clearly.

 

If you're referring to the students in this thread they can read and write.