A good start with EO's.

Sure do. Please explain how any of Trump’s actions influenced the creation of the vaccine by that team.

 

I didn't say the assertion HHS failed was true. In fact there was no centralized federal plan for the vaccine's roll out. But Trump and his top level appointees bare the burden of responsibility for failures on their watch.

 

Community health centers, patient advocates and other groups pushed back on the rule when HHS proposed it last year, saying the changes were unnecessary and could do more harm than good. The National Association of Community Health Centers has said the rule reflects "a fundamental misunderstanding" of federally qualified health centers and the 340B program. And providers worried the regulation could reduce patients' access to care by cutting deeper into community health centers' thin operating margins.

The rule's pause follows a Wednesday memo from White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain directing agencies to freeze any new regulations ushered in during the end of Trump's term.
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/co...eting-community-health-centers-drug-discounts

 

"President Biden on Friday will knock out the main pillars of his predecessor’s policies toward the federal workforce, the White House has said, by repealing Trump administration orders that restricted bargaining and appeal rights and another that sought to remove civil service protections from a large class of employees.

Federal agencies for several years have cited the union-related orders to restrict the subjects over which they will bargain, although the rules needed to carry out the disciplinary policies were finalized in the fall.

The latter order, issued in October, could have turned tens of thousands of career employees — or more — essentially into political appointees, although time ran out on the Trump administration before it could make those changes."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...078848-5cca-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

It's like having splinters in your fingers being taken out watching Trump's legacy get obliterated.

 

It's impossible to argue with someone in denial of documented (on video) facts.

Intellect and Trump is an oxymoron.

 

This of course it bs as paying attention would know. The problem lies with the states who were supposed to administer it. Much of that issues walks back to all the talking heads including St Fauci who told us the vaccines couldn't possibly be ready before March.

 

Biden signed an executive order which forces athletic organizations to allow gender confused males to compete against biological females. This is a horribly destructive idea.


This is completely contrary to the notion of women’s rights. This marginalizes women and young girls. It is going rob them of opportunity.


Maybe in the future we will see someone like Bruce Jenner win the gold in the Olympic decathlon, then come back and win the heptathlon as Katelin Jenner.


I guess following the science doesn’t work with biological science.

 

Go back and watch the video...Trump asked a question. He did not make a statement. And he asked the people who would know the scientists.

 

OK sea lawyer.

 

The question was a suggestion. The level of ignorance coming from a President of the US is astounding. Any fool with any reasonable amount of intelligence and grade school education knows that injecting disinfectant is lethal. It isn't rocket science.

Publicly, that makes it even more astounding and embarrassing. If he was remotely aware of how idiotic his suggestion was he should have at least asked privately. But his pathological narcissism leads him to believe he knows more than everyone about everything and says so. So he actually believed he had a eureka moment. For someone in his position to come out with such an insane question is unbelievably cringeworthy. Defending this absurdity on any level is equally astounding.

 

How Trump Left The Country With No Real Vaccine Distribution Plan

"Millions of Americans would be getting vaccinated by early 2021, bringing the COVID-19 pandemic to its final end, the Operation Warp Speed official promised.

“We’re on track to deliver hundreds of millions of doses by January 2021,” Paul Mango, the official, told reporters on an Aug. 13 press call.

The Trump administration, we now know, would fail spectacularly to meet that goal.

Repeatedly, officials passed up chances to use the federal government to get vaccines into the arms of Americans, or to help the states responsible for disseminating the shots finish the so-called “last mile” of distribution — the critical final steps before the vaccines are injected into patients’ arms."
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckr...ountry-with-no-real-vaccine-distribution-plan

 

Biden is increasing CO2 emissions with his pipeline policy. He is also increasing Ocean Pollution by this policy - which is arguably a more pressing issue than CO2.

And Third - Biden is exporting our pollution problems to other nations - in violation of the NGD.

Blue's enviro policy is one driven by the political bandwagon and not Science - which is why - while supporting Blue in the previous 2 elections - I could not do so in this one.

 

Fair enough but is Biden any better - and these enviro -clowns. "Any fool with any reasonable amount of intelligence" - knows that if we don't get oil from Pipelines/Domestic - we have to buy that product from somewhere else "Foreign - Tanker"

Only an idiot does not realize this is merely transferring our pollution problems to other nations - in violation of the NGD - and one of the very good parts of the NGD.

 

Baloney.

"The tar sands industry is just as hard on the cradle of its business. Its mines are a blight on Canada’s boreal, where operations dig up and flatten forests to access the oil below, destroying wildlife habitat and one of the world’s largest carbon sinks. They deplete and pollute freshwater resources, create massive ponds of toxic waste, and threaten the health and livelihood of the First Nations people who live near them. Refining the sticky black gunk produces piles of petroleum coke, a hazardous, coal-like by-product. What’s more, the whole process of getting the oil out and making it usable creates three to four times the carbon pollution of conventional crude extraction and processing. “This isn’t your grandfather’s typical oil,” says Anthony Swift, director of NRDC’s Canada project. “It’s nasty stuff.”
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline

 

"A fully realized Keystone XL would lead to more mining of that “nasty stuff” by accelerating the pace at which it’s produced and transported. (Indeed, Keystone XL was viewed as a necessary ingredient in the oil industry’s plans to triple tar sands production by 2030.)

It would also lead to greater greenhouse gas emissions. In 2014, the EPA stated that tar sands oil emits 17 percent more carbon than other types of crude, but ironically, the State Department revised this number upward three years later, stating that the emissions could be “5 percent to 20 percent higher than previously indicated.” That means burdening the planet with an extra 178.3 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions annually, the same impact as 38.5 million passenger vehicles or 45.8 coal-fired power plants."

 

Whether that's true or not, the above has nothing to do with the discussion about Trump's suggestion. But to address your point, it takes a thorough study of the ramifications and the tradeoffs for continuing the Keystone construction vs halting it, it's not simply a no brainer as you suggest. There is no comparison between the intellectual capacity to discuss the Keystone issue vs injecting disinfectant.

And to address your first question "is Biden any better", are you joking? I'm no fan of Biden but a rock is better than that psychopath.

 

It's not, on multiple levels. Not the least of which is the higher pollution value of tar sands oil.

 

I agree, the Keystone pipeline is toxic to the environment and I always opposed it. I was trying to make a point about the requirement for expert scientific and economic studies as opposed to settled science (the idiotic disinfectant suggestion).

 

Yes - looking at any mine from satellite photo's is not pretty - and yes there is pollution from all mines - and oil in general is nasty stuff - do not drink from the gas pump or dump it into local streams.

Got it

The question we are addressing however, is which is more/less harmful to the environment. Oil production in Canada - shipped by Pipeline - or Nigeria shipped by tanker. .

You did not address this important question - nor have you addressed the overall environmental equation.

This is not a time for Myopic Narratives .. I take this issue seriously - and have devoted a significant portion of my life to cleaning up contaminated soil and groundwater .. using innovative alternative technology such as bioremediation - when the "Environmental Engineers" were doing nothing but Dig and Dump.

Blue is not immune to politics - and unfortunately it is politics that is driving current policy - rather than science.

Michael Moore is not a flaming Red Chili Pepper - He is Blue - through and through and through .. and is saying in his new flick - some of the things I have been saying for 20 years ... and around tables at "Bioremediation" and other Environmental conferences - among other subject matter experts .. and no one disagree's .. all at the large circular lunch table nodding in agreement .. Ocean Pollution is likely more pressing than CO2 .. both bad .. but this is even worse . or at least equal - and they are connected in any case.. the nodding is on the issue of Ocean Pollution being worse .. but getting no coverage.

The two Key issues that are driving both are 1) Industrialization 2) Population growth -- something Moore pointed out - something that is a scientific Given .. but that any non scientist can recognize.

These are the most important drivers of the overall equation - Yet .. who is addressing these issues - on either side of the fence ?

Red's Environmental Policy is non existent - but it just happens to be better than Blue's policy by accident.

 

See Post 94 - and while I do not deny that Trump had some mental tendencies in that direction- this has no bearing on Biden's Pipeline Stance .. which has been studied thoroughly .. What on earth are you talking about .. do you have any clue on how much "Study" has gone into this project ..

I Challenge you to find a project in North America that has been more studied ?

and what is clear .. is that it is Blue that is lacking in intellectual capacity on this one - Blue who is Anti Science.. hence them having to demonize Michael Moore - they are so far off the turnip Truck on this one.

 

I agree that the initial focus is conscientious and professional.
Biden has the experience to deal with the repubs if anyone can and is assembling a competent team who can help deal with the national challenges we face.
It will sadly take some time to deal with the problems trump created, which is time wasted, but somebody has to clean up his mess.

 

More importantly he has killed tens of thousands of jobs and increased the price of oil. These are immediate issues. There is no benefit to the nation at all in killing the pipeline. Pure politics. He should be sued by the petroleum industry.

 

I did not even touch the economic catastrophe - and lets not compare Hitler to Stalin as both the Environmental and Economic consequences of this decision are massively bad.

10,000s of thousands is an understatement - and that is just on the basis of this one pipeline.. and all the revenue generated from that oil - which stays here in the US/CA - which is one in the friggen same economically - there is a US gas station/convenience store on every Corner in Canada .. owned by Exxon - Haliburton - Baker and how many hundreds of other US oil and gas companies working in Canada .. and down here too.

So Instead .. Lets fund the Economy of Nigeria -and ship the oil here by tanker

Every good economic prognosticator looks at the movement of capital around the Globe - if its coming your direction .. economy is good - just look at China when capital started moving that direction. When its not .. look at Cuba - Venezuela - Russia during the cold war.

This was a company that spent multi billions of dollars up front (which they will probably sue is for - successfully - and if they do not succeed it is even worse) on the assumption that they were not dealing with a 3rd world puppet system - that would change the rules of the game on the drop of a dime.

Fool me once - Shame on You ... Investors dumb enough to invest serious capital up front in the US after this decade plus long clown show? - Shame on them.

One thing Capital hates most is Uncertainty... and the competition for this capital is fierce - and our Regulatory nightmare was not favorable prior to stuff like this .

All on the basis of Political gamesmanship. Sure we should be investing in green energy - moving as quick as we can .. but - in the meantime .. the world is going to use a whole lot of fossil fuels .. and we can do it the dirty way "Nigeria" - or the less dirty way "Canada"

and the last thing we want to be doing is industrializing the rest of the non industrialized world .. as we will destroy the planet in the process.

So incentivizing industrialization in these places that we should not be purchasing from to begin with due to the massive pollution issues with these nations - is brain dead stupid.

 

undoing Trump's EO's is a good start

but really, this is about congress uniting to do what is best for America, not the President uniting with ex-President Trump

 

Wonderful, but that was not what I was discussing with the Trump sycophant. It's a subject you brought up that had zero to do with that discussion. I posted my position on the Keystone project (Post #93) and I have not changed my mind nor will I any time soon.