A good start with EO's.

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look at this example of utter avoidance and denial .. coupled with utter mindlessness and falsehood.

    What false premise ? What on Earth kind of absurdity is responding with "False False False" - but not stating what you are claiming to be false.

    You then post a link - but a cite nothing from it.

    This is like the response I would expect from a Fundamentalist who has just found out the earth is not Flat - and their whole world will come crashing down if this one tiny pillar falls. :hippie::hiding::deadhorse::cheerleader:
     
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    Then quit sounding like him. What exactly is it you're "gifted" at? Sounding like Trump? Keep your day job, impersonating Trump isn't working for you.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't sound like Trump at all - I am speaking Science - while you are rejecting science - and have nothing better than to make false accusations because you don't have an argument .. which - is like Trump

    So quit accusing others - of your flaws - Perhaps they do not want to be like you.
     
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    A good start with EO's.
    A good start for the systematic destruction of our constitutional republic.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well - the continuation of a process that has been underway for a long time. Certainly ramping up in the last Century - and really going gangbusters over the last 2 two decades .. when it became our "Patriotic Duty" to trade essential liberty for security - over a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "Walking".

    The destruction continues - and it matters not whether it be Red or Blue - at a rapid Orwellian Pace.
     
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    Much truth in what you say, but giving up of liberty for security, as stupid as that is, is no comparison to having liberty taken away for the glorification and power of a political party.
     
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    Do you ever watch the news? Do I need to spoonfeed things like lithium is strip mined?
     
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  8. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does anyone doubt the natural tendency of for Gov't to increase its power over time - eventually leading to some kind of authoritarian State ?

    Tell you what - how about we try to find an example of this not happening !? - sure there are isolated incidents - or short spans of time where such as been obtained - usually under the reigns of individuals who happen to be Good - this gives us the best of both worlds - a benevolent entity at the top in the form of one person - with the efficiency of a dictatorship.

    Simple - Effective - the best. The problem - is that there is no guarantee that the Son will not abuse this power - or next in the party line in some other systems.

    Power corrupts and more power corrupts smore - hence why the founders - and enlightenment thinkers - who were quite vexed by this problem - sought to limit Gov't power somehow.

    This idea - combined with good geography (relatively isolated - not that easy to get to in the 1700s - and huge piece of land) innovative spirit and a dose of capitalism - was a great experiment - and hugely successful.

    So the founders sought to limit Gov't power - But - over time - as Gov't is want to do - Gov't has tried to get that power back - and it has succeeded.

    At this point in the curve Gov't just does what it wants - remember in this case - "Govt" is not one particular individual - or even a small group .. it is this nebulous construct that merely puts a label on something that has a mind of its own - consisting of a myriad of influencers - where there is no one seat of power that we can point to and say "That is Gov't" this person calls the shots and that is that.

    Power is distributed not in the hands of one individual - or one party - or one anything. It is distributed among 3 main branches of Gov't .. not one - and how things get sorted out in the mix is complicated.

    Is this a good thing ? or Bad ? -- what kind of new monster have we created - or is it an angel. ?

    Initially - because of this complication - what I call "The Beast" is confounded. Entities wanting wanting Power and control find it difficult in the beginning.

    Over time though - the three seats of power have morphed into one - creating a new and ugly monster that the beast is part of , and can control and weld influence. This new beast that is vastly corrupt - one over which the people have no control -

    The leaders of 2 of these seats of power President/- SCOTUS - are "Selected" not "Elected" - and by en large much of Congress.

    The thing about Congress - is that the Beast need to control all them - just enough of them - and how that was accomplished is a story for another day.

    This is what we have to contend with
     
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  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Of course oil is toxic to the environment in multiple ways - So why do you prefer getting crude from sources that dump oil and other associated toxins into the environment - than one who does not."

    Please identify the "one who does not."
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Canada does not - nor heavy metals - nor persistent Organic Pollutants.

    You are completely lost Claiming that Nigeria observes Environmental Pollution regulations the same as Canada - is both ridiculous, absurd, and a complete falsehood.

    but - just so show how preposterously lost your argument is - Suppose we could claim that Nigeria/Canada were equivalent from "Dumping Toxic Chemicals into the Ocean" perspective - and the CO2 equation.

    It is still better to get from Canada via Pipelines for Economic and a myriad of other "Environmental" reasons. "Industrialization" being the main one.

    Hopelessly lost is your argument .. on both the Economic and Environmental fronts.

    Biden's Pipeline and Enviro policy is "Dumb and Dumber . Its bad for our economy - it is horrible for the environment - a policy based on Politics rather than Science.

    Get it - Got it - Good :)
     
  11. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your comments are becoming more juvenile with each passing day. And in light of the man you supported for 4 years having gathered together and inspired an insurrectionist mob intent on overturning an election......well......
     
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    What do you say to the 50,000 people his EOs have thrown out of work???
     
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  13. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've already provided you with information in refute of your false belief regarding the Canadian oil sands. Hence your false premise. I've also pointed out the goal of Biden's plan relative to climate change is designed to not have to make a choice between two sources of high polluting oil but rather to eliminate the need for them altogether. Do you by any chance have money riding on Biden's decision to shut down XL? Because you're very irrational in your view of the decision.
    Have a nice day.
     
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    Or you could provide sources ad infinitum, all of which will be rejected......
     
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    Bullseye. The founders and framers were well aware that men are not angels and that the natural progression of government is toward tyrannical authoritarianism. As you said they did the best they could to inhibit that progression supplementing their valiant words with a hope and a prayer.
     
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    Just because you reject my rational factual comments does not make them juvenile.
     
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  17. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm concerned you may be depressed after Dear Leader's (who was trying hard to move towards tyrannical authoritarianism) defeat and now see the world as a dark place.
     
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    Gas prices already rising.

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    Good job Joe!

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  20. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Claiming your irrational, erroneous comments are "rational factual" does not make them so. But I'd enjoy it immensely if you'd like to try to prove me wrong.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some of us are not predisposed to believing propaganda.
     
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    I'm new here and am a proud Trump supporter. I wasn't during the Primaries. I voted for Cruz because he is much more a Conservative than Trump was or is but when it came down to the foul Hildebeast or the Showman, there was no real choice.
    I'll no doubt be seen as juvenile as well; fortunately, labels don't cause me stress. I do have a serious question for you in your role as a defender of the Republic against Trump and his supporters.
    People like John Brennan and most of the MSM are pushing talking points concerning what they refer to as "domestic terrorists". The gist of it seems to be an appeal for folks like yourself who spend time online in fora such as these, to watch for and report "white supremacists" and others who seem to want to attack our nation.
    Since the very idea of dropping a dime on someone you know almost NOTHING about is or should be loathsome to an American, I'm curious about how you feel about that request from those you support?
    Do you support the idea that sending in "tips" about someone you interact with online?
    Do you support Red Flag laws? This whole American Stasi or Gestapo 2021 is a dangerous path for our nation and I'm curious about how those who support it, justify the potential consequences.
    BTW, nice screen name. He was as hardnosed as they come and he was pilloried for it up till the day he stroked out and died. Compared to the trends we see in the Democrat Party today, he'd look like a boy scout.
     
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    I'm sure you would.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Coincidentally I just saw an interview with the former assistant director for counterintelligence at the FBI, Frank Figliuzzi. His advocacy for the "domestic terrorist" designation is due to his feeling law enforcement needs tools they don't currently have to effectively fight against the growing number of Americans who want to do the nation harm.
     
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    Why do you think law enforcement would want to hear from people giving info about people they don't know?
     

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