Am I one of the last undecided voters? Who should I vote for?

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  1. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

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    Homosexuality is an adult business, homosexuality has no place in schools.
    As long as you insist on teaching children homosexuality, you will lose.
    But while you are losing the country get destroyed and people cannot unite to fight for the real rights.
     
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  2. kreo

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    I do not care. Homosexuality has nothing to do with children.
    There is no need to teach pederasty in schools.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The free healthcare is a bit of a misnomer, especially with Biden as he clarified what he meant.
    Illegals already receive ‘free’ healthcare under our current system. If you go to a hospital with a medical emergency you are treated.

    The actual breakdown is here: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-undocumented-healthcare/
    I usually don’t post links because so many hear don’t bother to read them but I think you may...

    The level of misinformation that exists — on both sides — makes finding out the real policy insanely difficult. But it is there
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Schools don’t teach pederasty, well outside of Catholic ones.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is homosexuality “adult business”, most children are sexually active with one another at ~15.6 years old.
    Sexual maturity (puberty) occurs as early as 8 to 9 years old.
    Why should children not be taught basic human sexuality and safe sex practices when they will need it most?

    What rights are you being prevented from fighting for because a teacher read a book that had a same sex couple in it?
     
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    Who told you not to get in a car with a stranger?
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    We need a funny button. :)
     
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    Congratulations! Your vote matters. I don't like telling people who to vote for but here are some suggestions based on how I vote.
    • Ignore the day to day partisan noise. All of the up to the minute scandals brought to you by 24/7 media and commentary by people that treat politics more like they are a sports fans or a religion is more a distraction than anything else. In the end only policy matters and how well the politicians achieve the policy.
    • Determine from a government policy stand point what is important to you. Is it jobs, social programs, taxation policy, infra-structure, budget/deficits, health care, trade, international relations etc...
    • Social policies. I tend to not care about social stances since IMHO government should not lead on social issues. They should simply follow the leaning of the masses. Stay out of the marginal ones and accept social change when it comes from the masses. However many special interest groups like evangelicals and the LGBTQ community want government to lead on social issues to their minority benefits.
    • Once you have determined which policies are important to you remember it is easy to keep the status quo and near impossible to make major changes. Big changes like health care reform, immigration reform, taxation reform, electoral reform are big issue and changes in them are extremely difficult and take a lot of political capital. Consider if the candidate you are voting for has the knowledge, skills and passion to bring these changes to fruition. Most candidate talk a big game but have no idea about how to do it.
    • Big changes are hard. Don't expect to many of them but if it is a key promise hold the candidate you voted for to them. Judge their progress as you would do any other employee or report. If they only talk about it before the election it is a warning sign. WTF were they doing the rest of the time?
    • Other policies are simpler because they involve less political capital and are within current powers depending on who runs congress and the senate and can be achieve using many different approaches simultaneously. Thing like fiscal responsibility, job creation, infrastructure spending, international relations, trade policy, social spending are within the politicians power and many presidents have successfully negotiated big changes even with minorities in congress or the senate. If your candidate is promising changes here, that you want, hold them to it. If they do their job properly they should be able to make progress here.
    • Do not fall for political misdirection. Remember why you voted for these people. They are your employees working for you. They are not your friends or family. I never understand voters that treat a politician they voted for with the same loyalty as a spouse or sibling. Hold them responsible for their promises and judge them objectively. Every politician over promises but are they keeping the ones that matter to you?
    • Finally do not vote based on fear. That IMO is the worst way of choosing a candidate. It essentially gives them a free pass on their failings or non existent policies. We recently went through 8 years or Obama and four years of Trump and I did well during the entire time. Made a lots of money, advance my career and really enjoyed life in general. I am lucky in the sense I have a good job and family. Not everyone has those advantages but those opportunities were created more by my education, life planning, good family support and adherence to strong principles rather than whatever president was in office at the time.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Vote for Biden if you want to ever again be able to vote for anyone but Trump or a candidate hand-picked by him

    If Trump gets another term he will make himself President-For-Life and/or set up rigged elections featuring his family. Putin has already done this with himself and Trump is Putin's protege. ( In America, the 22nd Amendment has often been cited as the one most likely to be overturned.)

    Anyone still supporting Trump by this time is a brainwashed cultist and not to be trusted. Trump and Trumpers follow a philosophy and ideology that is anti-American at its core.

    Make no mistake, this election is a life or death struggle between freedom and oppression, no less than what was happening in Germany in 1933 or Italy in 1922.

    It's quite possible that Biden will only have one term, and we can get someone more suitable in 2024 (though for the life of me I can't see Biden himself as being that bad) but first, we HAVE to get rid of Trump or we'll never get another real election, or maybe even there will be no elections at all.
     
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  10. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks and I did read your link but I'm not sure if it is the whole story. I remember a Dem Primary debate where ALL candidates raised their hands when the moderators asked if they would include illegal aliens for free in their universal healthcare proposals. That's precisely what Bernie Sanders platform said in all letters, and Biden has been incorporating elements of Sanders' platform into his own. To be fair, Biden never said he supports Medicare for All (thankfully), though.

    Sure, we pay for emergency room health care for illegal aliens... and people think that extending to them a governmental-sponsored health coverage such as Medicare would save money by avoiding the situation of a preventable disease that could be taken care of for a low cost at a primary care doctor's office, crashing into an ER for a much bigger bill.

    But that's entirely false, because people don't think of the full consequence of extending elective, non-emergency care to illegal aliens. Where to draw the line? 10% of the cost of healthcare in the US comes from ERs, but 90% does not.

    So, if you save a couple of thousand bucks by avoiding an ER trip by an illegal alien, next time that same illegal alien needs chemo for a cancer, you can easily spend $300,000 and that's just one example. A lung transplant costs $650K. A bypass surgery for the heart costs $250K. And so on. If we did that, we'd foster healthcare tourism. People with expensive-to-treat conditions would flock here, become illegal aliens here, just to get the condition treated.
     
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    I don’t know of any Democratic proposal that would extend that type of coverage to an illegal alien.
    Biden’s plan allows them to buy into the marketplace through insurance

    As per the debate where the candidates raised their hand Biden said this:
    "I think undocumented people need to have a means by which they can be covered when they're sick. And so the idea is that's what I think we should be doing by building more clinics around the country. Not just for undocumented, for other people when they're ill, when they're sick. People need — this is just common decency." ... "Well, I mean, I'll tell you something. In an emergency, they should have health care. Everybody should. Anybody here in the country. How do you say, 'You're undocumented. I'm going to let you die, man? What are you going to do?'"

    This is pretty much already what we are doing as per the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act

    His proposals do contain provisions that would allow those in the country to buy into the ACA however. Typically when you increase a risk pool and take in more premiums, overall costs fall. It would also be unsubsidized.
     
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  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The vast majority of conservatives I know say that about CITIZENS. Congressman Rand Paul has gone on record as saying he wants to repeal the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act.
     
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    So it comes down to reality, not fake news or fake claims.

    Do you agree with the party
    who has spent 4 years trying to unseat a dully elected president with fake claims and agendas.
    The party of BLM, Antifa, and Mayors and Governors allowing riots for two months
    Removing statues without any due course
    Defunding your law enforcement
    Providing free healthcare paid for by your tax dollars for illegals
    Plans to stop all fossil fuels (green new deal)
    Full term abortions
    A far left SCOTUS
    Attacking your 2nd amendment rights
    Identity politics
    Open borders
    Mandated to wear mask
    More government control
    Loss of jobs and industry back to foreign nations
    Investors pulling out of the Stock market
    Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, calling the shots on everything in the US

    It isn't who you vote for, its what you vote for. If those are the policies you subscribe too, then thats your party.
     
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    You mean like Trump has made himself President for life?

    Wow, you have got to be kidding.
     
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    The vast majority of conservatives don’t even care about CITIZENS. Most of the policy is warped around rational egoism.
     
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    Rational?
     
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    Write yourself in.
     
  18. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To them, yes.
    Rational egoism (also called rational selfishness) is the principle that an action is rational if and only if it maximizes one's self-interest.[1][2] The view is a normative form of egoism. It is distinct from psychological egoism (according to which people are motivated only to act in their own self-interest) and ethical egoism (that moral agents ought only to do what is in their own self-interest or self-serving bias).[1][3]
     
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    List them, rate them and assign a value so you can score them. The most important is 10, the least important is 1. Do a tally and see what scores higher.
     
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    The country isn't doing so hot today. And the Dems have very little to do with that.
     
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    China and the dems are responsible for most of it.
     
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    Indeed. Everything to do with it.

    But fish gotta swim, sociopaths gotta sociopath & so on...
     
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    How do they have everything to do with it?
     
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    Dems have a whole lot to do with it -- way to broad a generalization ...
     
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    They don't - what is with this black vs white paradigm you two are on ? - way overbroad generalization - with a hyperbolic twist
     

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