Am I one of the last undecided voters? Who should I vote for?

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Cuomo sent many folks to their death from Covid 19 and when I see footage of riots and looting I see no MAGA hats.
     
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    Ok, what specifically?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Absurd nonsense - of the highest order ... see post 128 as it applies to you as well
     
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    o_O
     
  5. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    What black and white?

    I said very little to do with the state of the economy. They are a minority party at present.
    They can't put forth a national program to deal with the pandemic.
    Which is the major reason for the economy downturn. The pandemic
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, Democrats are only mostly responsible for the mess... :)
     
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    Thought so, just trolling?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you fkng kidding me ... How the Dem's have had a hand in why the country is not doing so well ???? You seriously to be schooled on this ? how many examples ... 10 ? 20 .. ? 50 ? you seriously can't come up with.one (1)


    Tell you what ... I will put up a list of Categories .. and you can choose.

    Environment (Pick Me !!)
    Finance "Fiscal Responsibility"
    Economy
    Healthcare (Pick Me !!)
    Foreign Policy (pick me !!)
    Social Policy



    The class gets to choose 2 of the above topics - which is only you ... so .. choose 2 .. and your lessons will then begin ...:party::party::oldman::oldman::oldman::oldman::oldman::oldman::truce::truce::truce::truce::truce:
     
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    It would be fair if you can explain why you state that. After a few attempts, you put nothing. So at this point it seems you're making it up.
     
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    Your choice, pick one.

    The economy was on a 10 yr bull run prior to March of 2020.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    uhhh hem ... "Why the country is not doing so Hot" - encompasses a whole lot more than that - and you have to show that the Dems had nothing to do with any of it ... hence my "Way Too Broad Generalization" comment.

    but even in the things you mention - you are at least partially wrong .. and where you are right I doubt you could support - as if you could - you would know where the Dems had a part in our economic downturn .. at least in a long term sense.. but also in a short term.

    The longer we remain in lockdown - the bigger the economic Tsunami will be... neither side has acted properly to minimize the damage - but this is a complicated conversation - there are much easier ones...
     
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    2 of you made that claim.
    Neither of you can give a specific on what they did to end the 10 yr bull run.

    If the policies of the Dems is largely responsible, then the bull run starting under obama would not have gone on for 10 yrs. That length was one of the longest.
     
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    I will pick 3 (4 if you include the economy but I will just laugh at that comment for now - as it is absurd - and I have been one of Obama's biggest defenders on economic issues on this Forum - with way better arguments than yours)

    Healthcare - Obamacare was Lipstick on a Pig -did nothing to address the systemic issues leading to a 3.5 Trillion dollar total HC spend in 2017. despite rah rah ... cis boom bah.

    Foreign Policy - How many Dem's in the house voted to continue arming and supporting terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria - by voting against the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" .. put forward by Tulsi - with 13 bipartisan cosponsors.

    I will give you a hint to the question of how things went in the House !? When Rand Paul introduced the Bill into the Senate - he did so with a total of ZERO - co-sponsors.

    Blue is now the Neocon party - happy day - what I had always hoped for - ...

    and last but not least

    Environment aka - the straw that broke this camel's back

    Blue is now the anti Environment Party. Micheal Moore's film was not perfect ... buuuuuttt - some of the undisputed truths presented did not jive with Blue... Biofuel's was one .... but also industrialization and population growth as factors contributing to 1) Ocean Pollution - the most urgent environmental threat and 2) The carbon equation (CO2 - global warming) ... 4th on the list of urgency .... the aforementioned being 2 and 3 - something I have been harping on for 2 decades - being a professional in the field.

    The New Green Deal states "We will not export our pollution problems to other nations" Vunderbar !! Good Plan.

    Then why are we against pipelines ? Not building Pipelines - does not change the carbon equation by one drop of gasoline. So this does Zero with respect to Global Warming fraction of a fraction of a rounding error on 10th decimal place if you want to quibble over conventional vs Oil Sands / Tight oil - which is what the results of years long delay over the study Obama commissions - when anyone proficient in math and the relate science can do the numbers on the back of a napkin

    but I digress ... so nothing significant in the way of CO2 -

    What not building the Pipeline does do -is force our Refiners to get the product elsewhere - because pipeline or no pipeline - we are going to use 20 million barrels a day of gasoline next year .. and we need to get it from somewhere.

    We can get it from A) Canada -Pipeline or B) Nigeria - Tanker (do feel free to ask for recent tanker spills)

    now hey - i have never cleaned up a Tanker spill - i have however cleaned up Pipeline spills using alternative remediation technologies such as bioremediation. A spill on land is nothing - dig up soil .. spread on farmers field - add ammendments - when you are done .. farmer has more fertile soil than anyone around for next 10 years ..

    The worst thing though is that Nigeria is a big polluter of the Oceans - and by purchasing from Nigeria -we incentivize industrialization.

    So by not building pipelines we not only export our pollution problems to other nations - we increase the amount of pollution dramatically.

    The above choice is "No Contest" - Canada - or domestically for that matter - is a far more environmentally friendly option.

    The biggest problem is the refusal of Blue to properly address industrialization and population growth - with proper significance.

    Not that Red is much better - it is just that their policy happen to wander in that direction.

    Not building pipelines is obviously bad economically ... the question is only one of magnitude - which is something that Blue has egregiously downplayed.

    Done - Voting Red this time out - despite an intense dislike - and best arguments against - Carrot Top.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I already stated it was complicated -- but the idea that the Dems had nothing in the straw is not correct. Much simpler examples in post 141 - but if really interested we can go through this.
     
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    WTF? :eek:

    That has to be one of the most OBTUSE comments I have ever read online.

    Does Sex Ed "prepare" children for heterosexual pedophiles?

    Does Drivers Ed prepare children for vehicular homicide because that is the level of fatuousness in that BASELESS bovine excrement allegation.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    NO ONE is "teaching pederasty in schools"!

    You are just pulling crap out of your nether regions that you CANNOT substantiate with any CREDIBLE nonpartisan source.
     
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    Are you? Tsk. :boo:
     
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    I'm going with... ...4 years of relentless arson & political terror highly reminiscent of the Brownshirts. < Look here. ^ Look up here.
     
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    Your opinion has no value, since your party ignites racial / gender hate and support crime. It is very well documented with tons of videos.
     
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    Yes it does, there is not other reason to teach homosexuality. None whatsoever.
     
  21. Derideo_Te

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    :roflol:

    Needless to say you CANNOT produce a single one that has any merit thereby NEGATING your own BS allegation.

    :roflol:
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your BASELESS allegation has ZERO factual support and therefore only harms your own credibility.

    Sad!
     
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    Where is your credibility?
    Children do not need any sexual education.
    As long as they know that relationship between man and woman might lead to pregnancy, they are perfectly fine.
    The only reason to educate them about homosexuality, is to glorify homosexuality and make them easy targets for pederasts.
    How about recent racial riots all over the country supported by Democrats?
    I guess it did not happen for you.
     
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    I agree. I wouldn't vote for either of these two.
     
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    Thank for establishing that you CANNOT provide any single shred of SUBSTANTIATION for your utterly BOGUS allegation and thereby downgraded your own credibility.

    Have a nice day!
     
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