An idea to get Trump to resign without institutional crisis

I'm thinking, why not use the Nixon method?

Rumors are that between closed doors, many Republican senators would like Trump gone ASAP and are horrified at the events on Wednesday. A couple even said so in public (Murkowski and Toomey). It is credible that there are many more who think so but won't say it publicly.

People on the other hand talk about not fostering more violence and divide, it's only 9 more days, etc.

We know that Trump cares for his image.

Given that it is pretty clear that the Dems will vote for impeachment, the Constitution requires the Senate to hold a trial.

So, one way to silently deal with this would be for 17 senators to go see Trump behind closed doors and say, "Mr. President, this time we will join the 50 Dem senators and will convict you. You will be the only president in American history to actually be convicted in a Senate trial. We will then strip you of political rights and prevent you from ever running for office again, something that will hinder the role you want to play after you leave office. So this is a losing proposition for you and will damage your legacy forever. But it can be avoided. Resign tomorrow and that all goes away. You can say you are saddened by the 5 deaths that happened on Wednesday, that your followers misunderstood you, but to avoid any further turmoil and possibly more people killed, you decided, as the good patriot that you are, to resign a few days before the end of your term, to bring down all the tension. Mike Pence would become the president for a few days, and we'd go talk to him to issue a pardon for any attempt to charge you with sedition. That's a winning proposition for you, you will cancel out a whole lot of the blame you've collected in people's opinions since Wednesday, and you'll keep your political rights. So, we're giving you 24 hours. Do it by the end of the day tomorrow, and all is forgiven. Don't, and you can be darn sure that we'll convict you, and the consequences for you will be a lot worse. Your choice."

When Nixon realized he would be convicted by the Senate, he resigned, to avoid it.

This being done behind closed doors, these 17 senators wouldn't be exposed to death threats, as nobody would know that they did it, and Trump wouldn't want to tell, because he'd be seen as the ultimate loser who allowed himself to be intimidated into resigning by a bunch of RINOs. So, Trump wouldn't tell. This would remain secret forever.

Perfect solution, I think! Fast and effective.

Opinions? By opinions on this, I don't mean to ask if it's fair to require Trump to resign, if it is fair to impeach him, if he is actually guilty of sedition, and so one and so forth. There are other threads for that. I'm just asking, do you all think that this Nixon approach would work, would be feasible, and would resolve the situation with a minimum of pain for all involved? Or not? Would Trump back down if confronted with this ultimatum?

 

HE'S GONE IN 10 DAYS PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT!

Why keep starting threads about it? I could do without 'em.

 

He will tender his resignation effective Jan. 20, 2021 when ever you want to receive it.

 

Untold damage can be done in 10 days !!!!

 

He knows there aren't 17 GOP votes.

 

It sounds good "on paper" but I think Trump would rather face a firing squad (so he can play martyr) than resign his position. To force them to 25th and/or impeach him means he can continue to bilk his supporters by claiming he is being railroaded. And, what's the point in doing all that if he retains the right to hold public office in the future?

 

The GOP Senators are all afraid of him. That's why it won't happen. Toomey is the exception, because he is not running for reelection, that's why he can speak his mind without fearing Trump voters. They are all a bunch of cowards. No principle.

 

If people really think there may be more violence/unrest at the inauguration etc., the best thing in my opinion is to just stop poking the hornet’s nest. The hornets nest got poked repeatedly and the desired/essential reaction has occurred. More poking kind of makes some people think of the saying “it takes two to tango”. Irrelevance is likely to be the most effective consequence for Trump’s actions. If irrelevance isn’t what Trump’s detractors want for him, then my suspicions are correct—it isn’t about Trump at all. It’s something else driving the nest poking.

 

I agree that there is a fine line between justice and revenge but since there seem to be a lot of Nazi analogies going around at the moment I'm tempted to talk about Chamberlain and his ''peace in our time'' policy of appeasement.
The best outcome, IMO, would be a resignation and unconditional apology from Trump.

 

Sure. I’d like to see that as well. But not a forced apology. I see no value in that. And you don’t have to appease someone who’s irrelevant. It isn’t even possible. It defies the definition of appeasement.

 

Well, feel free not to respond and refrain from participating; frankly I couldn't care less. Farewell. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

 

But the beauty of this is that Trump would have an interest in keeping it secret, so these senators wouldn't be risking much. They would be able to even do it via Zoom or something, so that people wouldn't even see them walking into the White House. To the eyes of the public Trump would simply appear to spontaneously resign.

 

WTF?

What the hell are you hinting at?

 

Well, if 17 senators were willing to do this, then it would mean that there would be 17 GOP votes. I am sure that privately there are many more than 17 who are sick and tired of Trump.

 

Specifically, which 17 GOP senators would do this, and what, specifically, about their actions or statements, makes you think so?

 

I must have misunderstood. It looked to me like you were talking about appeasing those who might be responsible for future violence at the inauguration etc.

 

If we were talking about a reasonable adult. Trump is anything but. Have you not heard how people in the WH say he's enraged? They are describing him as psychotic.

 

That's why I said 24 hours. Trump at first would scream and yell, but 24 hours later he might understand that this would be the best alternative for him.

 

Again, I think you're giving him way too much credit. Odds are Trump will need to be extracted from the WH by force.

 

I'd wager my last piece of faltering, imaginary bitcoin that Trump will not resign under any circumstances. But who knows, if the deal to leave him unencumbered by frivolous litigation were sweet enough, he'd do far more damage resigning and unloosed in the private sector than he could ever have possibly done in the WH. I've been rooting for Trump TV, Trumpbook, Trumptwitter, Trumpphone, Trump Studios, etc. for some time now and would rather see that unleashed on the Complex than another backstabbing, swamp session of Trump in public life in a uniparty that hates him top to bottom. He is now the most famous single human being in history, can mobilize half a billion worldwide.

Are you sure kicking Orangeman out of the fenced in yard and let loose on the street was such a great idea?

 

You realize you don’t have to engage in these threads, right?

 

Maybe just change the locks while he's away in Texas pointing at a fence.

 

Do you honestly think he will still have the ability to bilk others? I realize there is a sucker born every minute, but I doubt he will get any major financing for anything in the future. Deutsch Bank has learned its lesson in regards to dealing with Trump.

 

Letting alone grass roots direct funding from half a billion supporters worldwide sick to the back teeth of the lies of MSM, social media tyrants, fake Woke corporate culture, government swamp the world over, YES, my 30 year career in corporate finance tells me that Trump will have Wall Street and every bank in the world beating a path to his door.

If I could walk into any VC, investment bank, other bank and present a business plan that guarantees -one- million subscribers/customers on day one, let alone 100 million or half a billion, I'd walk out with whatever terms I want... billions, tens of billions. If the name were Trump or Elmer Fudd or Bela Lugosi same result. Just so happens it is Trump.

If you think about it for a second, you would much rather have Trump in the WH than back in the private sector. It's like that scene in the movies where the hero, or villain, gets struck down, and then transforms into some kind of Dr. Manhattan behemoth.

No wonder they are going crazy in Washington and all throughout the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex right about now. They have realized the truth of their conundrum. Even if they kill him somehow, he becomes even more powerful as a martyr. The brand lives on. Inevitable.

Don't you wish they had done the forensic audits instead of stonewalled and wallowed in their obvious fraud? He might have lost HONESTLY, and then the whole avalanche to come would have been defused. Too late now.

 

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