Baltimore to pay Freddie Gray's family $6.4 million to settle civil claims

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  1. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    Why walls? No sense in secession talk. You never go full Republican.
     
  2. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Nope. They had nothing on Grey, just a little legal pocket knife. While all 6 cops are indicted with various types of manslaughter which is basically murder. Only if your going anal about the legal mambo jumbo terms you got a semi point somewhere. Trolls dont amuse me much these days though.

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    They have been charged and indicted for their murderous ways.
    That they deny whatever is rather irrelevant. Jails are full with people who claim their are innocent.
     
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    she did not tell them they could not defend themselves, your making stuff up now
     
  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Of course not the grand jury and the DOJ and forensics clearly refute your assertions and you have nothing to back them up.

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    AND THE CITY DOESN'T, does that escape you. Again what would be the basis of a FEDERAL civil rights lawsuit? This is based on claimed negligence not a violation of rights.
     
  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes the total incompetence and stupidity of the mayor hoping to railroad the officers into jail to coverup that her own failure in leadership.
     
  6. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No they wouldn't just as they couldn't in the Ferguson case, it would have to be proved on the basis of this case. And if Baltimore is at the stage of having to payoff the animals that riot and burn the private properties of the law abiding civil citizens then the problem is NOT with the police force it is with the ghetto residents and THAT is what no one wants to address.
     
  7. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not enough evidence to prosecute is not the same as being innocent of wrong doing
     
  8. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Wrong again get your facts straight, it was an illegal knife, there are NO false imprisonment charges, the states attorney who is just as incompetent as the mayor doesn't know her own laws. AND even if it had been it would not have been a false imprisonment.

    No they are not and no manslaughter is not "basically murder" you are showing your ignorance of the law.

    Stop digging your hole, you've made enough fallacious statements about the facts here and the law.
     
  9. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The evidence clearly showed it was a lawful use of force in self defense and you know it, there was no lack of it. :deadhorse:
     
  10. FreshAir

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    like I said, we will have to agree to disagree
     
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    $6.4 million? I guess that's how much they think he would have stolen in a normal life span.
     
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    Nothing says 'Sanford and Son' like pulling up to your drug dealer in a new Bentley with it's gold platted spinners.
     
  13. notme

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    Nope. They made it up and got busted with it.

    You're just splitting hairs by yelling manslaughter is not murder.
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    OK prove they have been charged with false imprisonment. And beyond that whether the knife was illegal or not is irrelevant to the probable cause arrest.

    It is a very marked distinction, learn the difference. You didn't have your facts straight just admit it and stop digging your hole.
     
  15. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No I don't have to agree to that, your position is total fallacious and has no basis in any evidence, you can pound sand about it all you want, you can wish it to be different, but it ain't. It was proven by the evidence it as a lawful use of force and the officer was protecting himself from a violent assailant. It was prove before a grand jury and the Department of Justice said it was a lawful use of force. You have nothing but baseless conjecture.
     
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    Wikipedia:
    Mosby said officers had "failed to establish probable cause for Mr. Gray's arrest, as no crime had been committed",[60] and charged officers with false imprisonment, because Gray was carrying a pocket knife of legal size, and not the switchblade police claimed he had possessed at the time of his arrest.[34]

    And of course it is relevant. He got arrested because he was running while black and than the cops made up he had a weapon that he didn't have. If they were honest about what they had, than they couldn't arrest him over anything, and so he should never have been in that van in the first place.

    You're just splitting hairs on that, while think it does not matter that cops invent something you do not have in order to arrest you.
     
  17. Bluesguy

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    Spare WIKI articles, I asked you to prove they have been charged with false imprisonment.

    Or maybe you already tried and found they have not been charged that after the incompetent states attorney asked the grand jury to indict them for it they read the law. The knife was illegal and it doesn't matter as to probable cause whether it was or not.

    Here are the charges each officer faces

    Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr.

    1) Second-degree depraved heart murder (30 yrs.)

    2) Manslaughter (involuntary) (10 yrs.)

    3) Assault/second degree (10 yrs.)

    4) Manslaughter by vehicle (gross negligence) (10 yrs.)

    5) Manslaughter by vehicle (criminal negligence) (3 yrs.)

    6) Misconduct in office (8th Amendment*)

    7) Reckless endangerment (5 yrs.)

    Officer William G. Porter

    1) Manslaughter (involuntary) (10 yrs.)

    2) Assault/second degree (10 yrs.)

    3) Misconduct in office (8th Amendment*)

    4) Reckless endangerment (5 yrs.)

    Lt. Brian W. Rice

    1) Manslaughter (involuntary) (10 yrs.)

    2) Assault/second degree (10 yrs.)

    3) Misconduct in office (8th Amendment*)

    4) Misconduct in office (8th Amendment*)

    5) Reckless endangerment (5 yrs.)

    Officer Edward M. Nero

    1) Assault/second degree (10 yrs.)

    2) Misconduct in office (8th Amendment*)

    3) Misconduct in office (8th Amendment*)

    4) Reckless endangerment (5 yrs.)

    Officer Garrett E. Miller

    1) Assault/second degree (10 yrs.)

    2) Misconduct in office (8th Amendment*)

    3) Misconduct in office (8th Amendment*)

    4) Reckless endangerment (5 yrs.)

    Sgt. Alicia D. White

    1) Manslaughter (involuntary) (10 yrs.)

    2) Assault/second degree (10 yrs.)

    3) Misconduct in office (8th Amendment*)

    4) Reckless endangerment (5 yrs.)

    NO false imprisonment. So just admit it and stop digging your hole.
     
  18. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Avoiding a higher payout is the only thing that made sense to me. That seems to be what is happening. I found this...
    and this...
    here

    How that jives with a $400,000 cap, I don't know. Maybe it doesn't apply in this case? Maybe the mayor is running for re-election and needs the matter settled tout suite? There's always a political angle in this kind of thing.
     
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    you have no other choice really.... you could disagree to disagree.... but then to do that you would have to agree with me :)

    you can either disagree with me or not, that is the only two options....

    I am ok with either....

    .
     
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    so what your saying is he deserved to die justice and due process be damned.
     
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    I'm saying, there's a pretty good chance this was going to happen sooner or later to this loser anyway. EIther cops or a drug dealer would've shot this guy eventually. Regarding due process and justice, the city caving in to pay is actually no justice at all, because they fear the people will cause more damage regardless. Go ahead, claim they won't "BURN THIS MUTHA DOWN" if the cops were found innocent? Guarantee they would riot. The city is simply being proactive and doing a cost analysis as sad as that is. Easier to pay people off than risk the property damage and injury.
     
  22. Bluesguy

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    If file in the state court it applies, and it does not fit the case for a federal civil rights lawsuit. This is just the idiocy and incompetence of this administration and the race appeasing rather than deal with the problems in that community.
     
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    I will continue to point out how your assertions are baseless and belied by the evidence and the judicial process that took place. Why are you so obsessed with smearing this brave officer who put his life on the line to protect the community from a violent street thug?
     
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    Nobody goes in, nobody comes out. It's perfect.
     
  25. Bluesguy

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    So the city is allowing itself to be blackmailed by a bunch of animals?

    And again, how did they even come up with this figure? What were Grey's potential future earnings? Take that number then times 3 for punitive.
     

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