Baltimore to pay Freddie Gray's family $6.4 million to settle civil claims

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    If I were Mayor, law and order is my top priority. I call in the National Guard and I put these rioters down. I would instruct the Media to get in safe, specific zones so that they can report on the issues without being unnecessarily targeted, as was the case in Ferguson which allowed propaganda to enable criminals to continue acting.

    I would never give them space to destroy. Except in a 6 x 4 prison cell, they can destroy all they want there.
     
  2. notme

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    The weapon wasn't illegal. And there was no reasonable suspicion, other than running while black.

    I'm not say it is the same. I said you're splitting hairs over it.
     
  3. QLB

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    If you really stop and think about what Freddy has done and what he offered to the Black community of Baltimore it really was good riddance.
     
  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Stop digging your hole, it was illegal under the city law and the grand jury said so, there is NO charge of illegal arrest of false imprisonment. And yes running from the police who are approaching you is probable cause.

    No you fallaciously stated they were the same and there is NO splitting hairs between the two, that are distinctly different crimes so stop trying to hide behind your ignorance and misstatement of the facts.
     
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    What do you mean, illegal weapon. Didn't it have the correct paperwork when it entered the country? :omg:
     
  6. notme

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    It's just is not. The police claimed he had a certain type of knife. And he just did not have that. Stop parroting what the police claims please. And no,.. it's not illegal or suspicious to run when black.

    Source it
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    He had a spring loaded knife ALL spring loaded knifes are ILLEGAL in Baltimore, they are NOT charged with a false arrest OR a false imprisonment. I have no idea what you think you are arguing here it is certainly NOT the facts.

    Source manslaughter and murder are not the same? Are you serious?

    Know what if you are too lazy to look it up yourself and stop digging your hole here I think I would rather let your fallacious statement stand here with you're repetition of it and everyone can judge the credibility or all your statements against it.

    And yes if the police are approaching you for a stop bases on reasonable suspicion and you take off running you just turned it into probable cause, it doesn't matter what color your skin is.
     
  8. QLB

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    Please, Freddie was a known drug dealer with previous convictions who ran. His demise was a public service.
     
  9. sammy

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    The democrat politicians that rule Baltimore need to keep their victims happy.
    This settlement will probably do that.
     
  10. notme

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    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/06/us/freddie-gray-knife/

    "Baltimore City State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby has said the knife was legal under Maryland law, meaning that police had no reason to detain him."
    And that is final.


    You said "No you fallaciously stated they were the same"
    Source what I stated.
     
  11. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Are you just being obtuse? She screwed up. In fact she tried to hide her screw up and refused to let the defense attorneys have access to it. The arrest was made in the city by city police where it IS ILLEGAL. The state law does not apply.

    They are not charged with an illegal arrest or false imprisonment. THAT is final.

    Stop digging your hole.
     
  12. notme

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    It's just not.
    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/pr...fe-was-legal-under-maryland-state-law-6723861


    Many legal experts — from defense attorneys to labor unions to an official body of the New York State Judiciary — say New York's law is often being applied, incorrectly, to common pocket knives that the legislature never intended to ban.

    And that is final. And that remains final until you can come up with sources claiming otherwise.
    Your word that you know best,.. is not going to cut it.
     
  13. Songbird

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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Baltimore carried no such insurance for this. No insurance company is paying this. It is coming directly out of city funds.

    Do you like making (*)(*)(*)(*) up ?
     
  14. QLB

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    Actually it's not final and she's hardly the brightest bulb in the legal lamp.
     
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    "Here's the best case that can be made for Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake's surprise announcement that her administration would propose a $6.4 million settlement of all potential civil claims in the death of Freddie Gray: It might have prevented a riot. Announcing it just two days before a judge is to hear arguments on whether the criminal trials of the six officers involved in Gray's arrest should be moved out of the city gives it the potential to calm any tensions that were brewing. But it nonetheless also carries real risk for the city in terms of setting precedents for future cases, changing the course of the criminal trials and affecting public safety in the city more generally.

    The settlement appears on first blush to be an eye-popping amount — more than the city's combined total payouts in police misconduct cases since 2011, and 16 times the cap for damages for such cases in state courts. Nonetheless, it might also have been a great deal for the city. The Gray family could have pursued the matter in federal court, where such caps don't apply and judgments can reach into the scores of millions of dollars. To hold the city accountable under the applicable federal statute, the Gray family's attorneys would have to prove not only that the officers' actions or inaction caused Gray's injuries but that they reflected the policy or custom of the Baltimore Police Department. Given that the U.S. Justice Department is presently investigating — at the mayor's request — whether Baltimore police engage in a pattern and practice of civil rights violations, the city might well have figured that the Gray family's chances at a mega-verdict, should the case go to trial, were unusually high." http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-gray-settlement-20150908-story.html
     
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    not sure of the laws there, but I think people should have a right to own a knife too, I think it's ridiculous that in some states one has to wear there leathermen tool in a belt rather then keep it in a bag or it will be considered a concealed weapon

    the Constitution says the right to bear arms... a knife could be considered such

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  17. notme

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    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/pro...te-law-6723861
    Plenty of other bulbs agree with her.

    And I have yet to see somebody else that aint a cop or part of the cop union claiming differently.
     
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