Belgian Twins Choose Euthanasia

I believe I should have the right to decide whether to end my life.

My only- and only objection to the death penalty is that it is very clear that our justice system is flawed enough that people not guilty of the crime will be executed- and there is no take backs to execution. As long as I am 100% certain the guy was guilty of a capital crime I have no problem with them being executed.

 

Only a judge should be able to decide. Judges are lawyers. Lawyers are wise and kind.

 

As the Dutch system shows, a system can be devised where it's more than just a lawyer or judge deciding things.

It really is a case-by-case thing though.

 

There is no hell, except for the one you create for yourself.

And what tells you those two men were Catholics and "knew" about that "dogma?"

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There is no hell, except for the one you create for yourself.

And what tells you those two men were Catholics and "knew" about that "dogma?"

 

Let a judge decide. She is probably wiser than you.

You need a conservatorship. I would happily serve as conservator of your person and estate.

Jeff, in all likelihood if you live long enough you will be trapped within your own body. You will yearn for death. But you will live on hoisted out of your bed with equipment handled by burly attendants. You will be kept alive as long as possible. Ultimately you will die. Then your suffering will end...unless there really is a God.

What I have written above is not expressed in jest. It is the way most Americans die these days.

I'm sorry, but my perspective is broader than yours. I am very well acquainted with death and dying. Death has become like an old friend for me.

My view is consistent with that of the People of the State of California. That should be dispositive of this matter.

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Let a judge decide. She is probably wiser than you.

You need a conservatorship. I would happily serve as conservator of your person and estate.

Jeff, in all likelihood if you live long enough you will be trapped within your own body. You will yearn for death. But you will live on hoisted out of your bed with equipment handled by burly attendants. You will be kept alive as long as possible. Ultimately you will die. Then your suffering will end...unless there really is a God.

What I have written above is not expressed in jest. It is the way most Americans die these days.

I'm sorry, but my perspective is broader than yours. I am very well acquainted with death and dying. Death has become like an old friend for me.

My view is consistent with that of the People of the State of California. That should be dispositive of this matter.

 

Lawyers and judges are the people most qualified in examining these issues. They can call on the testimony of medical professionals in an advisory capacity. A judicial review of a petition on this subject would remove or minimize the possiblilties for duress, coercion or other inappropriate motive. Process and procedure are important.

 

Sure, I can agree with that. But this is also why having a living will is important.

If euthanasia was legalized, then contingencies could be written for situations where the person wouldn't normally be able to communicate their wishes.

 

A living will, durable power of attorney, or advanced directive should still be subject to judicial review before termination of life. In any event this is all speculative in California. There is no legal basis for termination of life in this manner.

 

This would be where I rent the most expensive sports car I could find and go off the 405/55 connector 200 ft up at 180 MPH.

These guys were nice enough to do the way they did, people would have a heck of a time cleaning me up...

I'm Christian but the thought of being basically senseless in life is absolutely terrifying. If ever there was a "gimme" by God I think this would be it.

Rest in peace brothers.

 

That I can go with- as long as the starting point is that adult's can rationally decide to end their lives, and the process and procedure are there only to ensure there is no duress, mental incompacity or other other outside undue influence.

 

We don't know the mind of God. Of course it is God's will...people grow and mature through suffering and strife. If those who Christ cured hadn't been afflicted, then how would the people have known His divinity?

The bottom line...killing people for no other reason than convenience (or based on the *desires* of the mentally ill) is a human rights violation. Doctors who kill are no better than Nazi doctors who killed their patients in the name of *science*. They're monsters, and so are the people who advocate the murder of the disabled or otherwise impaired or vulnerable.

 

But that isn't the topic of this thread. This is about apparently mentally competant adults deciding that they want to end their lives. Certainly any non-handicapped person can easily do this by various means, but many of them are potentially dangerous to others, and potentially only damaging.

Do you think that these twins should not be allowed to end their own lives? Do you believe that it is immoral for doctors to assist them with their desires?

 

Unknown future? Really? They knew they were going blind. They were already born deaf. I know Helen Keller overcame her disabilities, but that doesn't mean everyone else should be forced to. And since they were already adults, close to retirement age, it would've been much harder and taken much longer for them to come to grips with being both blind AND deaf.

Suffering is suffering, and no one should be forced to endure it without their consent.

 

Pretty stupid..

 

It is your personal opinion, as you stated yourself.

Why can't you respect their opinion?

 

Whose opinion?

 

The twins who decided to kill themselves.

 

I applaud this system that gives the freedom to people who arrive at the end of their life to be able to access a quiet, dignified, and painless way to find peace.

I applaud these two men and their family.

What would have been better? Cut their wrists? Leave them in a forest to die?

They chose the time and place they wanted to die. They chose to die together. RIP.

 

There is no hell, except for the one that some of us live right here on earth!
God is merciful. What tells you that this peaceful ending on the two brother's life wasn't God's intent all along?

Do you believe that a merciful God would have prefer for them to suffer in their isolation? Or that God is more satisfied with the death brought about by terrorism. . .or by gun addicts?

I believe God smiled on these two people.

By the way. . .since Jesus had the power to save himself if he had chosen to. . .in a way, he CHOSE to die also. Do you think God condemned his own son to "suffer in hell?"

Also, that decision was NOT "hasty!" Before you judge and make that kind of statement, you should do some research! The euthanasia system doesn't allow a "hasty" decision! One has to go through many steps, including counselling and medical advice before euthanasia takes place!

 

Sick!

 

I did not read the entire thread. Of course someone must have pointed out that Oregon's death with dignity is not about euthanasia, but physician assisted death. I am sure that someone has by now pointed out that Washington, Vermont, California, Montana, Colorado and Washington DC. are just as 'out there' as Oregon is and that the circumstances described in the OP would be illegal in every one of them because there is no terminal diagnosis, and no verification process required of the intent to use a legally obtained prescription to aide in the dying process precipitated by the terminal dx.

Now that we have those piddling facts out of the way, I will address this case. These two men are not obliged to stay alive for their govt, their church or to serve anyone's private moral code. Its not their job to live for someone else. If you feel such a duty, then don't take the pills. if you don't want to involve other people or parties in your decision, then don't.

These two can do it their way, and you never have to do it their way. There's liberty for you!

 

Not sure what I was thinking 4 years ago when I made this thread, but my main concern today is that pesky Commandment, Thou Shall Not Kill, tied in with Do No Harm. Seems legalizing assisted suicide violates both moral laws. (Realizing most liberals will disagree because they have no moral compass.)

 

It's not euthanasia, it's physician assisted suicide. Euthanasia involves a 3rd Party, usually the government. Physician assisted suicide is a private matter between doctor and patient and does not involve the government.

Not to worry, it's all part of your god's plan.

You need to walk in the shoes of another, before offering criticism.

Why, yes, it is. So what?

 

Regarding Trump, there are more Trump haters than Trump non-haters now. He did manage to stimulate 1000 new coal jobs though. He'll need more than that by 2018 -- moosleems need to kill infidels if they want virgins in the next world.

Regarding euthanasia, I agree with you, this should not be subject to a death penalty. If they want to check out it should not be illegal.

The easiest way to check out is take a walk in the snow without a jacket or gloves. Sit down in the snow and go to sleep. You would then wake up in Heaven or in Hell. Heaven if you are a Protestant. Hell if you are a Catholic. Not any 72 virgins though if you are a moosleem -- moosleems need to die killing infidels if they want virgins in the next world.

 

Some guy tried this recently and rushed into his wife's place of business while he was on fire.

It was one of those guilt suicides.