Belgian Twins Choose Euthanasia

SMW, as for your snide remark about how liberals having no moral compass, that's just nonsense.

We do have a moral compass. It's just different from yours. We care more about relieving suffering and informed consent than we do about preserving life at all costs.

Here's something for you to chew on: If life was always worth living, why would anyone even entertain thoughts of suicide?

 

Still doesn't remove the hypocritical contradiction. The people who wrote the bible certainly didn't think god had any qualms about killing out-group members.

Says you. Sometimes death is the only way to alleviate suffering.

 

There are suicides in the Bible. God helped Samson carry out a mass murder in his suicide no less.

 

The most famous suicide being that of Jesus, of course. With his own father's approval, no less.

 

Everyone who is pro suicide is cordially invited to off yourself. Just dont leave a mess for the rest of us to clean up.

 

That would be a lot easier if we had access to the same drugs vets use to painlessly put our pets to sleep.

 

Now there's a real Christian attitude!

 

Well. . .some of us prefer the thought of "rotting" AFTER our death, rather then while we wait for it!

And, as long as euthanasia is ALWAYS voluntary. . .what's the problem?

Why shouldn't there be comfortable, safe, and serene places to take our last trip to death?

I would prefer to see many other "means of death" disappear (like gun shops!) before worrying about having too many places where people can choose to die with dignity!

 

We already have a word for what happens. Suicide. I don't see how to stop suicide.

 

Suicide is too often a "spur of the moment" thing.

Euthanasia is not. It is a well thought through, long time plan, where even family and friends can be involved in celebrating one's life and saying good bye.

 

WOW, you make it seem delightful. Who knew?

 

All the people who had the privilege to witness and participate in an "end of life" celebration and witness an acceptance and serenity that is rarely experienced throughout life, but is intense and contagious and leaves those who remain in awe and no longer afraid.

 

Well I would guess the majority of people wanting to kill themselves are Godless pagans (atheists as they prefer), liberals.

I think part of the new Trumpcare package should be to make a Margret Sanger Assisted Suicide Clinic for depressed Democrats.

 

I must say that your statement does not raise the level of discourse coming from Trumpsters!
I am a Christian, and a progressive.

I value life, and I value a peaceful, dignified end of life.

With Trumpcare, millions of people will have neither. They will die fault of care and suffering.

Talk about "Godless" decisions made by Trump and his Christian Talibans!

 

So, was Jesus a "socialist" or a "progressive?"

When did he ever demand that the government provide welfare for the people?

When did Jesus ever say that lazy people deserve entitlements?

When did Jesus ever okay sex outside a traditional man/woman marriage?

When did Jesus ever say he came to destroy the moral laws in the Old Testament and they were not longer valid?

I really doubt you value the teachings and commands of the one you say you follow.

 

You can always count on "christians" to be unchristian.

 

They live in the gutter. What do you expect?

Pathetic

 

Are you asking, Am I my brother's keeper?

Let those without sin throw the first stone.

1. Matthew 25:34-36
   Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’
2. Mark 10:21-22
   Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, ‘You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.’ When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

When did he say one sin is worse than the next? Is homosexuality worse than grabbing pssy? How about supporting a man who brags about sin? Is that sin worse than homosexuality? If so show me where Jesus said so.

What does the bible say about supporting murder? Trump called for the mass murder of innocent people. Where does Jesus condone that?

Do you go to hell for shaving or growing dissimilar crops next to each other?

Deuteronomy 20
But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, 21then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you. 22"If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.…

Do you kill people for fornication? If so let me know so I can call the cops.

You don't know what they are.

 

Sorry, but based on your comments and on your "questions," you seem to be one of those fundamental "Christians" whom I consider no better than ChristianTalibans who carry the heritage and philosophy of the Pharisiens that Jesus despised so much.

Therefore, I have no interest in engaging with you. Hypocrisy and twisting religious beliefs and the New Testament to hide a narrow, bigoted mind is not something I can respect in anyone, not Trump, not "Evangelicals" and certainly not you.

Have a nice life!

 

This is just another example of how people use religion to justify heartlessness.

"Christians" would be a lot happier if Christ never came along. We could live according to Leviticus. Public stoning would be a reality TV show. Men could properly beat their wives or sell their daughters into slavery. Ah, those were the good ole days!

 

He cured people for free. What does that tell you?

By that logic, pastors shouldn't get paid. All they do is repeat the same sermons over and over. A computer could do a better job,

He didn't endorse the death penalty for adulterers.

When he himself broke the law against working on the Sabbath, perhaps?

I could add a snide remark here, but I won't.

 

You, personally, are your brother's keeper. The Christian church you may belong to, collectively, cares for its members. The government, "big brother" should not be taking your place or the Church's place.

In Matt 25 and Mark 10 Jesus was talking about personal responsibility, not what a government should be doing. Everyone in Japan is not going to have salvation because they have a welfare system that liberals love.

There are greater sins, of course, because there are greater punishments. The Old Testament laws do not call for a thief to be put to death or have their hand chopped off. A murderer is allowed by a government to be put to death, and so an adulterer. A sin that can't be pardoned is denouncing the Holy Spirit, as Christ himself said: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html

Homosexuality and beastiality are equally abhorrent. And Christ quoted from the same book where they are clearly defined 10 times.
http://blog.biblia.com/2014/04/which-old-testament-book-did-jesus-quote-most/
Christ also said that he would not change one little dot or line in those laws until heaven and Earth pass away. Matt 5:17

Why are you so down on Trump when he is only President of late to defend Christians? Makes me wonder.

You are probably not a Biblical scholar, so if you read the entire passage in context it allows men to marry women they had sex with and not both be stoned to death. You had the wrong passage, as you are talking about Deut:22 NOT Deut:20.

If you are still with me here, try to understand there are in the Bible:

Moral laws: don't murder, covet, or worship other Gods. Don't do homosexual acts.

Ceremonial laws: Make the tabernacle this way, make the temple this way, cut your hair this way if you are a priest. Don't grow the crops this way.

Cultural laws: Hebrews don't intermarry. Women don't cut your hair.

Moral laws are what are still valid here in the US in the 21 Century.

Try to put some balance in your beliefs/faith. It's not all about love & kindness, and it's also not all about truth & justice & obeying the law.

 

Yes! And you are not the first one to believe this. Have you ever read "The Brothers Karamazov" by Fyodor Dostojevski? In one important chapter, "The Grand Inquisitor," He tells the story of this grand inquisitor who pursues heresy "to save Christianity" and kills thousands of innocent people because their faith is not what he think it should be. Then, one day, Christ comes back and he is thrown in jail, waiting to be tortured and killed as well. . .for stating that he is Christ. The Grand Inquisitor visits him in the dungeon prior to his being put to death and Christ asks him why, since he KNOWS he is truly Christ, why the grand inquisitor wants to put him to death. The grand inquisitor answers: Because I love the people more than you. I want to protect them from knowing you, because if they knew you, and they knew the good from the bad, they would be guilty of all the sins, but if they ignore you, if they don't truly know the good from the bad, they will not go to hell for not following your teachings.

This is obviously just a very rough summary. But the idea is basically what you propose.

Another thing Dostojevski said, which is very actual today is this: (and this is a direct quote):

“The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to such a pass that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love, and in order to occupy and distract himself without love he gives way to passions and coarse pleasures, and sinks to bestiality in his vices, all from continual lying to other men and to himself.”
― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

Who comes to mind when you read this?

 

:0) When was the last time you went to Europe mate?

 

I'll cut you some slack, because you don't come off as a Christian.

Because he cured people, Jesus was his own charity. He did not empower the Romans or Jewish priests or local tax collectors to cure people as part of a socialist government.

Christianity is about individual faith, works and accountability.