Belgian Twins Choose Euthanasia

There are no 'gods'. We invented them in an attempt at explaining what we couldn't understand when we were still too ignorant. Bad harvest? 'God' must be angry, so best sacrifice a goat to make him happy, etc.
Your 'god' apparently gave us humans free will. These twins were exercising that free will.

 

What business is it of a judge when it comes to our own body? What qualification does a judge have to decide what I feel is best for me?

 

It's 'god's will' of course. The usual pitiful excuse.

 

Ridiculous and totally wrong statement again! First, there are NO socialist governments in Europe. . .and NO ONE is pushing anyone towards death! In fact, elderly people here received excellent care without "spending limits!" set by for profit insurances. . .unlike the US private insurances will (once again, with Trumpdon't care monstrosity) be able to do!

My 93 year old brother in law had two surgeries last year. He is doing very well, thank you!

 

If I ever found myself in the position that life had become intolerable, and perhaps all I had to look forward to was a long and painful terminal prognosis, I would absolutely consider the resolution these poor chaps did.

 

Yes, I would to. The key to it (at least in Belgium, where this specific case took place) is that you must prepare for such eventuality. One cannot decide that one wants to die next month and have their wish fulfilled through euthanasia.

One has to fill out a lot of documents and a plan long ahead of time (I believe at least 2 years, but I may be wrong), and all the people involved must agree to participate (this include, whenever possible, at least two family members and/or friends), who would be there IN CASE you really want to go through with it.

Obviously, it is not because you fill out those papers showing your intent to access euthanasia if you feel the need that you MUST go through with it. One can always change one's mind and not use that option, but at least the option remains.

My brother and his wife filled all the necessary papers to plan on this IF IT IS EVER NECESSARY. Their two sons have agreed to support them in this and would be present on their last day.

I am beginning the process (as well as my husband) to complete the paper work. It actually brings some peace of mind to know that, if everything goes really wrong (as it does for everyone at one time or another), that door will be open, and it will be up to me to cross that door or not at that time.

 

Seriously?
How about you loose that sharia law you dictate upon others.

I know a woman who went blind, death and cripple.
She had no clue who visited her or what went on in general.
Stuck in her wheel chair she cried hours on end, for years, till she died.

An absolutely cruel way to die. Nobody should be tortured like that.

 

But isn't Christianity about being like Christ? Doesn't that mean people should do everything they can to alleviate suffering, even when people can't afford to pay?

It also provides a convenient loophole: get forgiven for anything you do (except blaspheming the holy spirit). So people can escape ultimate justice with a quick prayer.

 

Yes, and those pious bastard 'Christians' who whine on about 'caring' would be quite happy to continue seeing her suffer because of some stupid Bronze Age belief system which tells them it's ok.

 

Best read up on that. One can't do whatever they please beforehand and think they can pray their way out of the consequences.

 

You must've missed this verse.

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matthew 12:31-32

Or to put it another way, you can go to heaven no matter what you do, UNLESS you blaspheme the holy ghost.

So if Stalin repented before he died, he's in heaven (according to Christianity).

 

Stalin was likely poisoned by his personal security detail at the behest of of rivals like Khrushcev once he renewed his purges.

Hardly someone who would be praying to God at the end.

 

He studied at a seminary. Did you know that?

In any case, the bible DOES teach that you can be forgiven for pretty much anything. So Christians don't even have any incentive to follow the rules in their own bible.

Montefiore, Simon Sebag (2007). Young Stalin. Weidenfeld & Nicolson. ISBN 978-0-297-85068-7.

 

That would be for God to decide on a case by case basis.

I highly doubt someone who thinks they can sin all they want, openly disobey moral laws, then make a plan to ask for salvation at the end, a "get out of hell card," will not make it.


“Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.” (Rev. 22:14-15)


“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Cor. 6:9-10)





“Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” (Gal. 5:19-21)



Our Lord Jesus Christ said, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.” (Mt. 5: “Pursue peace with all men, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord.” (Heb. 12:14) Heaven is the perfect abode of the most holy God who will not allow even one sin to enter therein. Our Lord Jesus said, “Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” (Mt. 7:4 Heaven is the eternal residence of “the spirits of just men made perfect.” (Heb. 12:22-23)

If Stalin spent more than a few day in seminary, then he knew all the millions he had murdered was unrighteous. No hope for him.

 

So you're saying the bible isn't accurate when it comes to soteriology? Isn't it against the bible's teachings to reinterpret what's actually there?

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

All you've done is provide more evidence of the bible's contradictions.

Really? According to the bible, he was doing what Jesus wanted.

Luke 19:27: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Isn't it funny how every Christian has a slightly different interpretation of the bible?

 

Would it be better to torture them to death? Would that pass as God's will?

 

To them, obviously. They think it's somehow more moral if the disease does the torturing (instead of, say, an FBI or Secret Service agent).

I don't see a difference. In either case, there's unnecessary suffering. A doctor who refuses to provide anesthesia is just as culpable as, say, the BTK mass murderer.

 

Well thats a bummer of an OP

Look, fellow Christians: its not our place to judge these men. This is between them and God. While I sympathize with the sentiment- ' Trust in the Lord, He knows best' and I oppose suicide for any reason unless its to save others... if I were faced with the prospect of being deaf *and* blind, I would heartily consider finding out how long a pocketknife and God would keep me alive out in the cold wilderness.

Lets just let these two men be at peace. Theres other causes to take up.

 

In a nation of free men, you have no right to make that choice for someone else. It's none of your business.

 

Al Qaeda has more compassion than you, you worthless c*untservative.

At least the 9/11 hijackers got to die instantly.

 

Tough call. Ok with euthanasia but it should be under the care of a physician's council and two physician's care.

 

What an absurd thing to say.

 

I can't count the times I have said exactly the same thing, and the response has been silence. Any time you hear, 'but it's a metaphor', or, 'it's just an analogy', you can refer to your post. From what I can tell there's nothing in the Christian Bible allowing for any interpretation of what is written, but those are the usual excuses for all the frankly absurd or contradictory portions.

 

It's also true. I don't know anyone who doesn't want to die painlessly.

Even masochists have their limits.

 

There is a university professor who has spoken many times that he believes the Mother /Parents should have the right to euthanize their children up to the age of 6.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/princeton-prof-kill-severely-disabled-infants-under-obamacare/