Bernie Sanders attacks Christian nominee of Trump

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  1. Derideo_Te

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    It is the usual religious right reaction whenever one of their members is exposed for discrimination or bigotry. Kim Davis was a classic example when she became a "martyr by refusing to issue marriage licenses to gays. Somehow being a bigot for their lord is exempt from the Law of the Land.
     
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    I don't think you understand what you read amigo... I didn't say anything about "going" to Vermont...

     
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    Does Vermont even accept Trumpistani refugees or is there a "ban" on them?

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    That's like the "which came first, the chicken or the egg argument" however what came first was the proto-chicken which (if you were an American you would know) is identified in the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
     
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    It's not extremist, and even if it was, yes. There can be no religious test. This nation has religious freedom. Sanders can be critical of the firing if he wants. But, he is questioning the religious doctrine of the man. That crosses the line. Sanders should apologize to Christians.
     
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    I tell you what, if you can source any example of Sanders taking the podium in any synagogue and condemning believers of an alternative faith (simply based on it not being his faith) then you'd have ground to stand on.
     
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    You are factually incorrect. The comments Bernie is discriminating against, were not said at that hearing. You are incorrect in your assessment that the constitution plays referee in religious matters. All are free to think and say what they want, under the first amendment, and Sanders is forbidden from using a person's religion as a reason to deny confirmation, under Article 6. One would hope that a man whose job it is, to write and pass laws that are compliant with the Constitution, would have some basic understanding of it.
     
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    ROFL ... the US should thank him to prevent that such a religious scum got the job!
     
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    There are still court houses in the US that require people to swear on the bible before testifying. So basically if you're not a Christian you can lie all you want. Its very comical.
     
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    Do I really sound like I give a rat's ass to the non-existing Jesus' """STOLEN""" teachings? LoL...

    Mohammad at least tried to correct a very corrupt religion... A religion that was created by the ROMAN GENERALS whom were ""SELF-PROCLAIMED SAINTS"" of Christianity. Learn to live with this disturbing fact.. :(
     
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    Wow, bigoted comment much?
     
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    It was Vought that couldn't answer a single question in that hearing without mentioning that he was a Christian. It was Vought that couldn't separate himself from his personal religious beliefs that he expected everyone else to respect his disrespect of anyone who was not Christian. Sanders was never telling Vought he wasn't allowed to have those views, he was only pointing out that if he could not separate himself from his personal beliefs then he was not the right person for the job, and considering that Vought couldn't even separate himself from those beliefs during the hearing its apparently logical that he would be incapable of doing so in a job that requires him to do so.
     
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    What is the context of that Separation?

    If Bernie is questioning his right to a job based upon the theological faculty makeup of a Christian School, which is their business and not that of Grand Inquisitor Bernie Sanders, enshrining that anyone who holds such a view about the faculty of such a school cannot hold public office, the reciprocal is also true. It looks like a religious test according to his application; the very point of not having such a religious test is to allow the Muslim, the Christian, the Jew, the Atheist…who separate the theological questions of the religious school…from the public office. If there is evidence Vought denied someone a job, in accounting, based upon religious views, then Bernie would have a point, unless of course the religion is such that in that universe 2 + 2 does not equal four.
     
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    So the Koran has lied to Muslims for all these centuries? They're going to feel a little foolish after reading your exposé.
     
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    So your standard is, unless I can prove Sanders has the same views about those not in his faith, then it's ok for Sanders to discriminate based on religion? Are....are you...but...wait...are you serious???
     
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    True, but using that argument on a political platform is unacceptable in the US. And that's exactly what Vought was being criticized for.
     
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    No, he was being criticized for his words prior, and he was being grilled over them by Sanders. Sanders has no legal right, to require a person explain their religious views, else be denied a government position. It violates Article 6 of the Constitution, as well as the First Amendment.
     
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    Technically attacks in the US by Muslims are minimal compared to Christians. You have better odds at winning the lottery than being attacked by a Muslim in the US.
     
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    Various scholars have argued that neither Jesus nor Muhammad existed or that neither man as we know him in their respective religious texts existed in fact.

    Well, Christians and Muslims do have their own calendars, and then you have predominantly Muslim countries such as Turkey that have accepted the Gregorian Calendar for one reason or another.
     
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    He was giving Vought a constitutional test and Vought failed miserably.
     
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    What's a 'Christian extremest' these days?
     
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    The worst thing Bernie has ever done in his entire career was tell his supporters to vote for Hillary after they stole the nomination from him.
     
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    You're correct. Regardless of what one thinks of Vought and his beliefs, what Uncle Bernie did was illegal under Article VI of our Constitution.
     
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    Sanders took issue with religious statements the man had made in the past. That is the core issue. Sanders is demanding this man explain his religious views, else be denied a government position. That is not allowed under our Constitution. And those religious views are common across most other religions.

    Sanders was well within his rights to be critical, and call in to question, the man Vought fired, and the circumstances of it. Sanders crossed the line, when he began grilling the man over his religion. Sanders also showed extreme ignorance of basic religious tenets, which isn't illegal, but just embarrassing for him. Nearly all religions see themselves as the only path to heaven.
     
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    Yo dawg...
    Theist: Believes that there's a god
    A-theist: Doesn't believe that there's a god or gods.

    So when you say something like this:
    You actually make NO SENSE at all and that makes me really sad... so sad... :(
     
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