Biden says police should be trained to ‘shoot 'em in the leg instead of the heart’

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    Every time one thinks that Biden cannot outdo himself with a new stupid statement, he shines.
     
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    We don't.
    And probably never will.
    For the simple reason (that most people don't realize) that the difference between rendering someone unconscious and killing them is extremely slim. And in all likelihood a weapon that could render someone unconscious would cause permanent damage anyway.

    The science fiction series where someone gets shot by a weapon on "stun" several times in a season and walks away as though it had no lasting effects is as fictional as the warp drives and transporters.

    I once wrote a Star Trek related story where massive rioting was going on in a Federation city and the police were considering an "area wide stun" of the worst hit area. But the police ended up choosing not to do so when they figured stunning tens of thousands of people would probably result in scores of, perhaps hundreds of deaths.
     
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    The only way Biden wins, is if the dems cheat their ass off. Some of Joe Biden’s statements and actions would suggest that he has the beginnings of a dementia. Or some of type of dementia caused decline. And you're really going to see that at the debates. Assuming that the DNC/Biden came agree to the debates. Which if they don't would scream that there is something very wrong with Joe
     
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    Your screwed one way or the other
     
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    1 Always treat a firearm as if it's loaded.
    2. NEVER POINT A FIREARM AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO DESTROY
    3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.

    Rule 2 is not about what would suffice, but the severity of what is possible. You never point your gun with the intent to incapacitate someone. Just like you wouldn't aim a nuclear weapon for the outskirts of town so that people just get burned, you don't aim for a limb so that people just get nicked. If you're pulling that trigger, it's because you're ready to kill someone.

    After all, the vast majority of shots taken in high stress situations miss their intended targets. You aim at the biggest part.
     
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    not necessary you can shot an armed criminal running away if he poses a threat to others
     
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    Stephen Willeford's life was not endangered when he grabbed his rifle and ran toward a mass shooting.
     
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    As if we need another reason not to vote for Biden. A vote for Biden means more dead cops...which maybe popular with his base.....but not the American people
     
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    many are good shots, but the taxpayer will have to pay for cripples.
     
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    the government has to run an experiment on leg shots, it can only include police officers and armed assailants.
     
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    Songify Biden's gun platform...

     
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    If you're shooting at someone your intent has to include the possibility that your target is going to be killed. That's not a bet you hedge by assuming you can aim for a non lethal body part.
     
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    Not necessarily. LE is allowed to shoot a feeling Felon if LE believes that felon is a danger to someone. There is SCOUS case on that.

    Update:
    Found the case law: Tennessee v. Garner
    , 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat to others

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
     
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    They used an area wide stun in "A Piece of the Action"

    You are right, any PI who was knocked unconscious as much as even Rockford (who went out of his way to avoid getting hurt), would be at least brain damaged before the end of Season I. There are doctors at prize fights for a reason.

    I think the best way to handle rioters is like Chief Wysocki in Camden. He took off his helmet, put down his baton and said "lets have a parade" I realize that doesn't get the death perverts woodies for mayhem satisfied but hey, you can't kill people all the time.
     
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    Where did you learn that?
     
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    True. But for all we know one or many of the gang members died.
     
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    There is a big diference between shooting at a stationary paper target and shooting at a target that is moving and the police officer is under stress. Of course there are shooters who can be able to hit the legs of a perp I get a laugh out of people talking about shooting at legs or other difficult shots. I once had a neighbor who was anti war anti gun and liberal as all hell. This foolish woman could not understand why police could not shoot the gun out of the hands of perps. That is almost as foolish as a young friend of mine first grade maybe was convinced that Roy Rodgers or The Lone Ranger used to shoot and hit the bullets of the bad guys. Some of the anti gun liberals have about a first grade kids understanding of guns and ballistics.
     
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    I call this the AWG Fallacy. Anyone With a Gun.

    This is where people with of course little or no experience with a firearm believe that anyone wielding a gun military, law enforcement or civilian have the same level of skills with a weapon. Even worse they conflate what they've seen in movies and television with real life. That's why you get people thinking that a person can "shoot a gun out of someone's hand". While such a thing is THEORETICALLY possible it is so rare that when it happens it is the kind of thing that veteran members of SWAT teams talk about in amazement.

    And most of the public can't see that the difference between a regular beat cop and a SWAT team sniper is about the same as the difference between a PeeWee (Pop Warner) QB and Tom Brady.
     
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    That's President-Elect Biden in November ...
     
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    Besides not being a "gun guy", evidently you are also unaware that cops can't shoot you when you're "running away".
    The same rules apply to them as a private citizen. Only if they are in fearful their life, or someone else's life, can they use deadly force.
     
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    True statement. Does it also apply to "peaceful protesters " who stand by and watch people loot, burn, attack innocent people, etc.?
    Or do different rules apply?
    Asking for a friend
     
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    If you aim for the legs, isn't it way more probable that you will miss and the ricochet off the pavement will kill some innocent bystander?
     
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    Well I started a thread in the Elections sections since this is about the election but that being said you should have posted the actual complete unedited statement. You think what you posted is dopy? Read the whole thing. Do you see it?

    “Instead of standing there and teaching a cop when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something, shoot them in the leg instead of in the heart,”
     
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    Depends.
     

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