Biden says 'poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids'

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  1. Texas Republican

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    This will be hushed up.

    If Trump had the same quote, libs would demand he withdraw from the 2020 race today.
     
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    Pretty sure he's the front runner for the typical everyday democrat out there with a bit of commensense because the other candidates are on the warped end of world views. He may not be in the best of vigor but I think he has a rep for a normal world view and has a chance to win (in their eyes). I think trump would trump him pretty quick.
     
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    Not quite. Biden's comments, not the clipped version, but the whole statement, do not limit Blacks to being all poor.

    The statistics above show that IQ is heavily influenced by environment. If you grow up in poverty, you're probably not going to use the intelligence capability you were born with. In that sense, Biden is correct in saying that poor kids have the same abilities as those kids living in a higher economic status.
     
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    Again, you're confusing correlation with causation. The causal factor runs the other way... smart people do better financially than dumb people. Here's an article trumpeting the environmental impact on IQ... the grand total difference? 4.4 IQ points, or less than 1/3 of one standard deviation, less even than the average difference between parents and children (5 IQ points). Environment isn't completely meaningless, but it nearly is. Biden is wrong.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ronment-plays-significant-role-smart-are.html

    By the way, I can back this up anecdotally. I grew up smart and poor and all the other kids in my neighborhood and even school were f'ing morons, and this was true in three different cities/towns.
     
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    So you call anything true and that you do not believe "leftist BS". I will let the leftists here decide.
     
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    All you need do is offer some support for your claims and you can't do it. And we both know it, as does anyone following this thread.
     
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    Those are not claims that I made there are what was in history. I just stated what had happened. It's just like when we say that Trump trashed our American citizens ntelligencecagencies because they stated truth to power. If you do not believe it go watch the Helsinki propaganda conference where Trump denied the Russia interfered with our elections and Trump quoted Putin as the basis for denying that. I do not need to show anyone a link of that because there thousands of links out there showing Trump trashing our intelligence agencies.
     
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    That's for sure.

    DISPATCHES FROM THE PARTY OF SCIENCE: Joe Biden Says There Are “At Least Three” Genders, Confuses Everyone.

    Fresh off telling a crowd that “poor kids are just as smart as white kids,” Joe Biden got cornered by a question about how many genders there are. To normal people, this would be a very easy answer. To Democrats in 2019, it’s a question with no real right answers. No matter what you say, you are guaranteed to offend someone who claims to be something that doesn’t actually exist.

    Most Democrats know the lingo and will say that gender is a “spectrum.” That’s a-scientific nonsense, but it at least allows them to skirt the issue by including every possible “identity.”

    Joe Biden is Joe Biden though, so that means he was bound to give the worst possible answer.

    The Federalist.

    In the video, the staffer asks Biden, “How many genders are there?”

    “There are at least three,” Biden responds.

    “What are they?” the staffer asks.

    “Don’t play games with me, kids,” Biden responds.​

    Biden shook someone’s hand, then grabbed the staffer’s arm, while saying, “By the way, the first one to come out for marriage was me.”

    So what’s the third gender? Biden gets flustered and refuses to answer, telling the student to “not play games with him.” To the social justice left, this stuff is not a “game” and not being able to answer that question is going to get him in a lot of trouble with that crowd, many of which believe there are infinite numbers of genders or at the very least that there are dozens of them.

    Also, why is he grabbing a women by the arm to brag about how he was “first” to come out for “marriage?” Obviously, he’s talking about gay marriage, but he was hardly the first and given his past brushes with getting too handsy with women, grabbing someone like that is a pretty dumb move.

    The question itself, it was a good one. Every single 2020 Democrat should be made to tell us how many genders they count.
     
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    You guys have to admit what Biden said sounded like something a white supremacist would say when trying not to sound racist. Where is the MSM calling Ol' Joe a white supremacist?
     
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    I don't think this is such a big deal. It's a standard liberal belief -- and it's not entirely wrong -- that Black kids do worse in school because they're poor.
    I don't know if Biden knows about the problems with underclass culture -- for example, the phenomenon of 'acting white', an example of 'crab-pot syndrome', but
    in a speech he doesn't have to present a fully-elaborated theory of the problems of Black America.

    And what he said, in spirit, is that Black kids can do as well as white kids. And this is what we need to be saying.
     
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    The linked study refers to brothers who were adopted out, but doesn't discuss the age of the brothers, the environments, or the status of the adoptive parents. Unless such studies can compare the environments and the kind of parental involvement, the results like those in the linked study are not valid.

    I can't understand why such uncontrolled factors are used in making conclusions.
     
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    Maybe we should launch a Special Council into this and see if he really was a Grand Wizard in the KKK and has ties to other party members. :)
     
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    He said what he believed, not what was scripted.
     
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    What interesting and well-supported posts. Thank you.

    I have always felt this was true, anecdotally. Successful people tend to share at least one or the other of these traits ---- intelligence and/or drive. It makes sense their children would either inherit the intelligence and/or be influenced by the "drive", and would therefore be more likely to succeed than someone with below average intelligence raised by below average intelligence parents, in an environment where laziness and underachievement was acceptable.


    I'm seeing some of my leftie friends bailing on Biden on Facebook. Apparently they're throwing in the towel because they've decided he can't beat Trump. (The solution though? Choose a candidate even farther left....:omfg:)


    They still have that magical "white privilege" thing going for them, right? (LOL)

    I'm not sure the left even gives a damn about poor whites ---- children or otherwise. They've spent too much time spouting about white privilege and hating on white people, I'm not sure they can change course now. Instead all of their faux concern is being reserved for blacks and illegals and LGBTQWTF folks.
     
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    Biden's comments might have been awkward, but seriously . . .

    VS.

    I'm not a Biden fan, but getting worked up over edited comments says a lot.

    It also takes us far from the point Biden made about not offering enough advanced level courses in low-income districts.
     
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    So, where did those "dumb kids" come from if their parents are well off? That seems to contradict the genetics. Your reference to Carson and his niece points directly to his environment.
    As far as motivation--absolutely, but I'd put that ahead of IQ. I know people who aren't all that bright but have lots of money. I know people who are highly intelligent and live like paupers. They are consumed with making money. But motivating is part of our psychology which is linked to the same things that make up our IQ. In other words, there's no IQ gene. It's a combination of elements strongly influenced by environment.

    I worked in schools that were pretty elite. Parents were at the top of the ladder as far as socio-economic status. I also worked at schools on the other end of the scale. I'll be the first to say that there is a world of difference. The single biggest difference by a long shot was the social expectations of the parents and community as a whole. In the smaller schools, did not raise their kids to experience as much of life as possible. They tended to focus on letting the kids enjoy life before hitting the work world. There were some kids who showed some real talent, but going on to be the CEO of a global corporation or to study quantum mechanics was not part of their world.

    As for finding a very bright kid in a slum being hard to do--my experience leads me to disagree whole-heartedly with that. I think that we seriously misunderstand the power of environment primarily because we have almost no experience in other environments.
     
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    Thanks. I've been interested in this topic for a long time, having been a very smart child in a very dumb neighborhood and then town. The Bell Curve explained a lot. If you're interested in the topic, here's an interesting discussion of IQ and socio-economic status: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/iq-and-socio-economic-status/ (Warning: the section 4 that discusses the differences between adopted and not adopted children measured their IQ's at age 14 or less. Later studies (like Kendler quoted later in the section) have shown this differential disappears by age 18 and the difference between the adopted child's IQ and the unadopted twin's IQ averages 5 points or less, not 15. The adopted child's IQ and the adoptive parents' IQ's showed no correlation.)

    I have the same kind of anecdotal feeling in regard to cultural explanations, the claim that it's because education isn't "valued" in the hood or in the Appalachia region that poor people there don't do well in school. I think the causal arrow runs the other way, that because they don't do well in school, kids in the hood or in Appalachia tend to disparage education. If I don't do very well at it, it must not be all that important.

    I think a lot of working class whites who used to always vote union Democrat agree with you.
     
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    We can't laugh at misspeaks or slip ups by anybody on the conservative side of any issue because they aren't the 'nice' people, 'better people', 'righteous' people regardless of their skin color, ethnicity, or country of orgin. Whatever they misspeak has to be at best a Freudian slip because of course those on the right, and President Trump who is neither right nor left and therefore is the worst of far right extremism always mean exactly what the left decides that they said.

    Only those on the left are the nice people, better people, righteous people, morally straight people and therfore, if they commit a gaffe, it is just funny and/or endearing.

    The double standard is nauseating.

    But I do agree that everybody with a lot of public exposure is going to slip up now and then. And the occasional misspeak or gaffe shouldn't be any kind of big deal no matter who says it.
     
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    Except that the studies contradict your view. Controlling for IQ essentially eliminates parental SES as a factor in a person's success in life. Siblings raised in the same home and therefore having the same SES and environment have dramatically different outcomes in life based solely on IQ. Adopted children in high SES homes end up having an IQ no more than five points different from their biological parents' IQ, and completely unrelated to their adoptive parents' IQ.

    (This is 64 pages!) https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20040302_book443.pdf

    Anecdotally, adopted children also tend to make the same mistakes in life as their biological parents rather than behaving like their adoptive parents. My aunt adopted a baby girl born to a 17 year old girl out of wedlock. My aunt didn't have kids (including the adopted one) until she was in her late 20s and married. The adopted daughter got pregnant out of wedlock at 17, just like her biological mother did.
     
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    But they don't extrapolate the gaffe into a dozen difference heinous theories of how horrible he is like they do to President Trump and others. And they won't be featuring lengthy segments on it with a half dozen folks trashing the President when it is Biden or another leftist. That's where the double standard comes in.
     
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    Are people yelling "shoot them" at Biden rallies? It's not like this stuff with Trump is happening in a vacuum.
     
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    Who is shouting 'shoot them'? Source please.
     
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    ONE PERSON shouting out in jest and the President amicably accepting it for the jest it was by quipping that would only be legal in the Panhandle. And that was months ago--one person among the tens of thousands of people who attend Trump rallies. "Business Insider" is one of those 'we-hate-Trump-all-the-time' publications who has probably never ever published a story about the President or Republicans that put things into their full context and/or honestly described what happened.

    Cory Booker says he feels like punching Trump.
    Maxine Waters urges her constituents to get in Republicans faces, assault them wherever they go, make their lives miserable.
    Dozens of celebrities have advocated or suggested or hinted at harming conservatives or Republicans or the President including murdering him.

    Do you honestly believe no person at a Hillary rally or Biden rally or any other Democrats' rally has never shouted out something inappropriate?
     
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    Nothing like "shoot them". McCain faced a similar, though less violent, moment when a woman claimed Obama was a Muslim. You should compare how the two men handled it. It says quite a bit about their character. But of course someone who cheats on their wiveS has no character anyway.
     
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