Black Americans shot dead by police are twice as likely to be unarmed as whites

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  1. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As pointed out, the cirumstances (eg violence vs cooperation with the police) are ignored in this "study" based on a dataset from the washington post. This data is just what they are able to collect and is no more reflective of reality than a poll. There is no there there in this particular study.
     
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    Yes and You know the first bullet hit him in the chest precisely how? And let's not forget that the incident was also investigated by the Obama Justice Department whose operatives who also couldn't find a way to convict Officer Wilson or anyone else with a crime. The best they could come up with was some old incidents the perpetrator of which had been fired.
     
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    I find you auto assumption that Wilson is a racist to be racist.
     
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    Guy, I live in a city where the police used to routinely beat false confessions out of people and then send them to death row.

    Now, that said, the problem with your whole argument is that the only thing the forensic proves is that the shot that hit his arm entered from front to back. Totally plausible if he had his hands up and then clutched them to his chest after being hit in the chest.

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    Again, meaningless, as the Federal Civil Rights statue is a harder burden of evidence than the murder statue.
     
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    Eyeswideopen1989 Banned

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    You clearly did not read the actual report. Suprise surprise. It is known beyond any reasonable doubt his hands were not in the air when he was shot, due to the physical evidence. Its impossible.

    As far as your anecdotal (made up) evidence of your city. Your full of it.

    You simply hate authority. And cannot see clearly because of it.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Absurd. Else why did they dump om the New Orleans PD and others. If they has proof of murder the Civil rights complaint is a slam dunk.
     
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    White criminal thugs are better at money management and are more likely to have been able to afford owning a gun than stupid black criminals.

    Giving up 500 forty ouncers can get you a pretty good gun.
     
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    Yea I just bet it does.

    What exactly are Republicans doing to fix the problem? Nothing.

    That sounds good on an internet forum.

    Really, what have white conservatives done to help these problems?

    It can definitely add to those problems.

    Folks love to throw out who is responsible for the problems, here is a thought how about come with some solutions to the problems instead of just pointing fingers.
     
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    There is a science to this kind of pattern

    [video=youtube;jmE990-eUiw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmE990-eUiw[/video]


    Basically, the subconscious mind makes the first judgement based on prior experiences (including what the subject sees or hears in media), and then the conscious mind kicks in and corrects any over generalization that the subconscious mind may have made. In the heat of a situation, like determining whether a suspect is carrying a gun or a cell phone, these subconscious over generalizations can be fetal. Ultimately we all have prejudiced behaviors in our subconscious minds, and in my opinion it is the people who are unwilling to admit this who are the least likely to make any corrections to the prejudices that exist in their mind.
     
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    I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but the government trying to help is ninety percent of what's wrong in the 'hood. If you love poverty wait for the government to help you. All I can do is give a man or a woman advice. I can't force him or her to take it nor would I. I will tell you this much the solution to your problems what ever they may be, begins with you, and that's true of everyone regardless of race creed or color. What have conservatives done for you? What do you want them to do for you? You already sold your soul to the democrats for chump change we're just trying to give you a better chance to retrieve it. And that truthfully is all we can do.
     
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    Uh, guy. It's an established fact that police in Chicago have beaten false confessions out of people. Look up a guy named Commander Burge.

    It's not an established fact that the shooting went down the way Wilson said it did. It's equally plausible that brown had his hands up, and then crouched into a defensive posture (head down arms over chest) when the first bullet hit him.)

    I do find if funny that the same wingnuts who get all up in arms when "authority" fines a homophobic baker for not doing his job are totally cool with police officers shooting black people.

    Silly Darkie. Rights are for white people!
     
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    They dumped on the Ferguson PD, too. They just didn't charge anyone with murder, because they couldn't prove that someone intended to violate civil rights.

    But here was the real problem. Holder didn't want to bring a case he couldn't have 100% certainty of winning. This is really the problem with the Obama Team all along. They weren't risk takers.
     
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    It's absolutely an established fact the shooting went down as Wilson said. All of the evidence points to it, smash well as many witnesses. And surprise surprise, those who testify against wilson, in many cases admitted to lying.

    Use your critical thinking skills.

    Wilson is innocent. And brown essentially killed himself.

    The rest of your post is your own racism projecting.
     
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    Here's the thing.

    Jason Van Dyke claimed LaQuan McDonald came after him with a knife, and that was the Police story for about a year, until the video proved otherwise.

    Michael Slager claimed Walter Scott grabbed his taser, until the Videotape showed he shot the man in the back as he ran away.

    Brian Encino claimed Sandra Bland assaulted him, until the video proved she didn't.

    It's absolutely amazing how the police are ALWAYS telling the truth when there is no video to contradict them, no matter how far-fetched their stories are.
     
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    It's amazing how you think that just because sometimes they are wrong that you can just assume this plethora of evidence is as well.

    Face it, you hate cops and cannot think objectively. Wilson is innocent based on the evidence we do have, and until something new says otherwise.
     
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    I'll say it again. 90% of cops are good guys doing a tough job.

    and 10% of them are thugs with badges and guns who shouldn't have badges and guns. Wilson, Van Dyke, Slager, Encino.... all fit into that category.

    Unfortunately, they LITERALLY have to kill someone to get their badge and gun taken away, and that's the problem.
     
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    Here's a better one. Don't live in a city controlled by Democrats.
     
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    If he was innocent, they'd have given him his badge and gun back. No one wants that kind of liability.
     
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    http://wgntv.com/2016/10/14/chicago-police-release-video-of-female-officer-beating/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgjdICRi3_0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec2yfx80T1g

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KfpXZn_Nac

    https://youtu.be/pium_JZ2WRo?t=16m28s

    https://youtu.be/P4yZBap8C9k?t=1m3s

    Well...you get the point. Attacking a cop armed or unarmed whatever color you are, should get your dumbass shot, because at any time, one punch is all it takes and they're out cold, unarmed and dead. Cops do not arbitrarily shoot people for NO REASON. There is always something escalating the situation. Mistakes still happen, but statistically, you'll be hard pressed to find any examples of educated black people in suits and ties coming home from the law office or hospital, getting shot.
     
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    I'll bet they're also twice as likely to resist arrest, get out of their cars during traffic stops, and generally make furtive moves towards the "po po" whom they have been conditioned to believe are their enemy. That is the "bias that needs to be removed."
     
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    We only see "Black Lives Matter" burning neighborhoods and looting Walmart when a young black thug is popped by the "po po" - and whether the thug deserved it or not. When it comes to black-on-black crime the attitude is almost like... it's a black thing, you wouldn't understand.
     
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    Especially considering that help would come from the police. BLM is pure hypocrisy of the worst kind - addressing a false problem to foment violence.

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    But don't you know that cops have x-ray vision? If they were not a bunch of racists, they would use their x-ray vision to see if a young thug had a gun.
     
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    It was an enthusiasm campaign to get out the minority vote for Clinton that backfired in various ways to various degrees. There is no doubt in my mind that the Dem spin campaign machine is responsible for dead cops.
     
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    He was innocent and it wasn't just thier choice not to. It was his, as it is far to dangerous despite his innocence to remain as a police officer. Already explained this. You are objectively wrong.
     
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    Absolutely right. The big recent riots (Ferguson, New York, Baltimore) all came from the Obama/Sharpton/Jackson race hustlers team bad-mouthing cops, to gin up Democrat votes fro the 2016 election. They also went around threatening mayors with DOJ civil rights lawsuits if they didn't order their cops to stand down. The cops did stand down. We saw it all on TV.
     

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