Border wall

Oh, he has the funding for the wall?

 

Walls work on a small scale or with high manning budgets. Long wall with not enough people to man it equals a waste of money.

 

They already admitted that they want to flood the country with illegal aliens because their future electoral success depends on it. The leaked Palmieri, Center for American Progress, letter made it very clear. By bringing in illegals and planting them in sanctuary cities in Democrat voting states, they bump their electoral vote count by at least 15, perhaps as many as 30. Illegals don't even have to vote. they just have to know how to fill out a census form. They stack the House with Democrat voting districts and stack the states with electors. Democrats want their 4 cities to run the country because those cities are chuck full of people who don't know how to take care of themselves --- their underclass base defined.

 

I was initially opposed to the border wall idea. I've since come around to supporting it, in strategic locations.

What I think it will achieve, is a reduction of manpower requirements at those areas of the border. The reduced need for personnel, at many locations, will allow for increased manpower at other locations.

I also believe that it will keep little girls from dying at remote outposts.

Intelligent reform of our laws, and the desire to enforce them, would solve the bulk of the problem of illegal immigration. There just isn't the desire to do that.

The last poll, that I saw, said that more than 70% of Americans want this issue to be resolved. The elected leaders, by not solving this issue, are acting against the people's will.

This is not a partisan issue. However, the political leaders continue to succeed in keeping us divided over it.

 

You don't understand our body of laws. Once someone is on US soil, they are entitled to due process. Then you get into the cases of human traffickers and the children they bring in and how you take care of the kids without keeping them incarcerated for more than 20 days.

So, deterring them on the Mexico side of the border is essential to everyone but lawyers and Democrats who need their votes.

If you have walls on your house and doors with locks and close your windows at night when you aren't home, you understand the concept of deterrence.

The main difference with a homeowner is that, if they have a gun, they can shoot anyone on their side of the wall. They're in deep trouble if they shoot someone outside of their boundary who isn't a threat..

 

Even if there was zero immigration, whites would still be a minority within a generation or so. That is a certainty barring the implementation of white supremacist policies.

 

How is a “wall in strategic locations” functionally different from the already existent policy of fencing/walls in strategic locations?

 

Don't know where your white supremacist obsession comes from. You seem to be a racist. Americans have a vested interest in assimilating people who come into the country ,,, so they can be successful. Democrats, on the other hand, lose when people are successful. So flooding the border with an invasion force in order to undermine everything that has made this country successful and making sure their invasion force of losers become a permanent burden on the country are priorities to Democrats.

We both know who the racists are.

 

The way I see it, the object is to make illegal border crossings more difficult.

Creative and determined people might find a way to defeat any sort of impediment.

Any increase in the degree of difficulty imposed, will reduce the number of successes.

 

Yeah, the party that is 90% white. Which one is that again?

 

You are consumed by race. The party of slavery ,,, the party of lynchings ,,, the party of racist Woodrow Wilson ,,, the party of segregation ,,, the party of the KKK ,,, the party responsible for breaking up black families to destroy any chance of success and locked minorities in economic shackles have spent their entire being scaring people of color away from the Republican Party.

It will eventually change as more minorities break out of your shackles and see the light.

 

I think the better way to solve (at least partially) the illegal immigration problem is to put a very heavy and significant monetary fine on any employer who knowingly hire illegals. Once their sources of income dry up, there will be very little incentive left for them to want to come into the US.

 

Oh. That's straight forward enough. The last president agreed with you. This president agrees with me. Good luck with that.

 

The wall works quite well in Israel. They worked quite well in medieval Europe. It worked well in early Palestine until God told Joshua to blow trumpets loudly to shatter the wall with acoustical power.

If you think someone wants what you have they should be allowed to get it?? Really?

 

Walls define a boundary. They make a statement, and are far easier and more efficient to defend.

 

Why did White Conservatives push for slavery, lynchings, racism, and segregation?

 

Keep believing Mexico is gonna pay for that wall!

 

Okay I'll be blunt, you are wrong. First walls while of little use against a modern army are quite effective against unarmed noncombatants provided you treat them as part of an over all system of entry denial not just a set and forget device.

2nd it is as much a psychological impediment as a physical one.

 

Got a link to this leaked letter to back up your assertion?

This notion that the dems want open borders and tens ofmillions of immigrants so that they can win elections is just about the stupidest excuse for bigotry in partisan politics. That and "butt hurt liberals are persecuting our dear leader because he won and they lost".

I don't think there is anyone on either side that wants open borders or hordes of unwashed impoverished people pouring into the country unchecked. Yet here's the republicans screaming about the evil dems accusing them of exactly that. In trump land elevator goes down to the penthouse and up to the garage.

 

Some probably do. More people means more competition for jobs, which are already scarce to begin with. Then the super-wealthy capitalists can really drive wages down, which benefits them.

 

"the stupidest excuse for bigotry"

"hordes of unwashed impoverished people"

Umm...

 

Jobs are scarce in a nation with the lowest unemployment figures in decades and is considered at full employment?

Really drive own wages? They have been doing that for years or have you missed all that union busting?

 

I am delighted you recognize that the language of Trump and his supporters is bigoted. That was the connection you were trying to make, wasn't it?

 

Well, you think jobs aren't scarce. I think they are. Looks like neither of us can convince the other.

Not sure why you brought up union-busting. Anyway, what I said is just common sense. More people=more competition for jobs. This drives wages down.

 

I agree. Realistically, if people are willing to risk death walking through the desert, i think it is likely they will put significant energy into getting past the wall.