Border wall

Since at least 40% of the people illegally present in this country entered legally and then overstayed their visas yes it is absolutely certain that a wall will not keep 99.99 % percent of illegals out of America?

In fact of all the illegal immigrants living in the US apparently only about half are from Mexico and of that half certainly not all entered illegally. Sonat best a perfect wall might reduce the illegal future population by much less than 50% and that assumes the ones that would have illegally crossed the border couldn't find another way in. Maybe Canada!

 

I don't know I think the BLS is kinda more authoritative than either of our opinions, other than mine is base on their data and yours is based on feelz, it seems.

No, you directly linked wages being driven down or suppressed by the illegal immigrant pool. I'm saying that is not the only reason for low wages, especially in the lower three quintiles. You know like union busting to reduce labor costs by manufacturers et.al.

 

Appeal to authority. It's a logical fallacy. Do you know what a logical fallacy is?

And before you accuse me of incivility, let me point out that you drew first blood. You said my opinions were based on "feelz".

I never said that that was "the only reason".

 

Illegal drugs and criminals coming across do warrant it.

 

Part of it was that democrat's slaves gave them more voting power. Much like illegal aliens.

 

Holy crap, how many times do I need to post the pic of Keith Ellison in his open borders t-shirt?

 

You're thinking of someone else. I never wrote any such thing.

 

60% is a very, very good start. ICE can handle the other 40%.

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...l-immigration-average-8-075-each-25-000-in-ny

Building a wall would save billions.

 

Every unskilled, uneducated, undocumented, illegal alien the we can deport is a kindness to the poorest and most vulnerable of our legal immigrants and citizens.

If cows or chickens stop producing milk or eggs they are harvested and replaced. The Democrat party has been ranching people for their votes for decades. Now, they want to replace them with more reliable voters. What they are doing to their traditional base is as cruel as setting all of the cows and chickens free. Some will survive, but most will not. It's simply been too many generations. They can no longer survive unless they produce milk, eggs or votes for their benefactors.

The democrat's domesticated dependent constituency is actively participating in their own financial slaughter and advocating for their replacement. It's amazing what you can get a dependent constituency to do.

 

Well then a guy in a t shirt is all that is needed to paint the entire democratic party as advocates of open borders and the unrestricted illegal immigration that label implies.

Perhaps the ultimate anecdotal evidence fallacy. From one you get 35% or so of the american population.

Shall we apply your fallacy to Trumpland? We'd be here for a few days listing the examples we could use for it.

 

Politicians seldom think long enough to identify the core of a problem. They just assume people from Central America want in because we have a great place to live. What would it be like if Central America was a great place to live? No more illegal immigration problem, no wall required.

Let business define what's attractive economically and develop plans to do it there. Bring in investment. Create jobs. Increase wealth. Make a buck in the process. Protect our investments with security forces and the U.S. military if things get really dicy. No security = no investment. Capitalism is like fertilizer, spread some around and things start to grow.

Biggest problem, corrupt governments.

 

An appeal to authority is one where the "authority" is itself the objection/justification/foundation of response.

I merely pointed out that my opinion is informed by the BLS which is the OFFICIAL US GOVERNMENT source for all employment statistics. Go figger its called the Bureau of labor statistics. And guess what? they track all kinds of labor metrics. Jobs are not scare, in fact the US is considered at FULL EMPLOYMENT in economic terms.

As for incivility. I never accuse people of it. I can be more incivil than most when provoked, so I dont accuse, but I often respond in kind.

As for you opinion based on "feelz", as an old codger, I thought that simply a text shorty for "feelings". Your opinion that unemployment is a problem is not based on the facts of the matter.

okay. then consider my comment a clarifying expansion of your original thought.

 

Why can't you just admit you shouldn't have insulted me by saying my post was based on "feelz"?

Thank you for conceding that I have "original thought". Very gracious of you.

 

I just looked up "feelz" in the urban dictionary. I did not intend that meaning. I meant feelings.

that will be the last time I assume the meaning of this new texting language.

I can't believe the destruction of the language. Try interpreting this definition.

your welcome.

(btb, I appreciate a good barb based on semantic play. points for wit in my book).

 

Omg! Stop being nice to me. I don't know how to act when an opponent does that.

 

Don't forget Hillary said she believed this hemisphere should be "borderless".

 

I am not being nice. I am being honest. You might even find that when I make an error or misinterpret something or get called out for being an idiot - I'll admit it. But one thing I don't do is lie.

And as many around here can tell you, I truly appreciate intelligent wit even when I am the target. I consider it a literary art form.

 

What is your opinion of the wheel? It is a cave man invention.....what about fire? Should we stop using these outdated inventions?

 

Are you sure wall is main factor why people live where they are?

Israel and area around Israel is full of hard problems - always been like that. Jerusalem destroyed many times so far (even when there was a wall around city).

It's more about having better chances and future, hope. North America is still relatively safe place to live compared to many others on America continent. Maybe Canada is a bit safer compared to North America but difference between those two is still small.

 

The pdf is out there. I have a copy. Thought everyone downloaded it.
The Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund circulated a memo on Monday calling illegal immigrants brought here at a young age — so-called “Dreamers” — a “critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success.”
https://dailycaller.com/2018/01/08/...re-critical-to-dems-future-electoral-success/

 

You are misinformed

Less that have the illegals come here by visa

But after we build the wall the number of cheaters arriving by visa could jump to over 90% since very few will make it over the wall anymore

 

That is not quite correct.

There is no border wall built.

One party does not want to spend the money to build "a wall" that would not even cover the whole 2,200 miles of US border.

The other party does not want to spend the money to build "a wall" that would not even cover the whole 2,200 miles of US border.

Donald Trump wants a border wall.

 

How many miles is Trump's border wall have been built to date?

How much money has that cost?

If Trump gets his 5.5 Billion ...How much more border wall will be built?

How many years will it take for Trump to get his wall built?

 

Maybe you need to ask these border wall proponents. A couple of them had 8 years to build a wall.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1073327086037741568