Border wall

Since you know that they werent referring to the military being able to breach the wall under ANY circumstance, why are you behaving as if they did?

 

Drug smugglers would not be even slow down by this many billion dollars wall.

Hell there had already been cases of cranes dropping drug loaded pick up trucks on the US side of the border to deal with the walls that now exist.

 

Fox network stated that special forces could not deal with the wall.

Beyond that they did not give any other detail for some not very strange reason.

 

Obviously everything is "Fake News" to you except news you agree with......oh well, who cares really.

 

Of course the drug smugglers are slowed down

As for cranes and pickup trucks the wall must be monitored and patrolled

But if libs are serious about border security they should at least allow that after the wall is built and the are back in power

 

Illegals do not sign in or sign out at the border

And Pew is a globalist leaning liberal front organization

 

Sorry as far as I know after spending unknown billions a year on the so call war on drugs there has never been a drug user who could not get ahold of his drug of choice anymore then the prohibition era stop anyone from drinking.

 

The war on drugs has been no more successful than the war on poverty

Maybe its time to pull the plug on both

 

Drugs should be treated as a public health problem/threat not for the most part a criminal matter in my opinion.

As far as ending the war on poverty I would be for it when and if the billionaires would stop tapping the US treasury for hundreds of millions of dollars of handouts.

 

Runnig across the desert is NOT how drugs enter the USA.

They go through border checkpoints and by sea.

 

Your English is better than some Americans on PF. You did just fine. Now my two cents about Trump's wall.

This was written on Nov. 23.

Trump threatened a government shutdown if he did not get his way with the border wall. “Could there be a shutdown? There certainly could, and it will be about border security, of which the wall is a part,” Trump said.

Again! How many times has Trump threatened a government shutdown over the border wall Mexico was supposed to pay for ... or so he promised? Three, four, five times, I have lost count. It has yet to happened. Again, more propaganda for his diminishing gullible base.

ABC News reported this today, "As Friday’s deadline to fund the government looms, the White House appeared to back off President Donald Trump's $5 billion demand for border wall funding Tuesday, spinning up questionable options that aides hope would allow the president to save face without shutting down the government."

In a rare and short press briefing on Tuesday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said the administration will be looking into other federal agencies to cough up the money for the wall.

“The president has asked every agency to look and see if they have money that can be used for that purpose,” Ms Sanders said. “We’re looking at every avenue available.”

When asked about taxpayer liability for the wall, Sanders said, "We’re not asking American taxpayers for that. We are looking at existing funding through other agencies right now that we can draw on to do that in — immediately."

Was she serious? Well, yes, she was. Only a Trump staffer could say something that stupid. Any existing funding that other agencies have in their coffers is taxpayer money. So, trying to claim the money isn’t coming from the American public is either misinformed or misleading. My God, this is our executive branch. They know less about government than my sixth grade neighbor.

Trump threatened weeks ago to impose a 25% tariff on Chinese goods on Jan. 1. Now he is backing off of that, claiming a deal with China that puts us back to square one. He raves about the deal, but he accomplished nothing other than eliminate a problem he created. In Trump's world, this is success.

This is almost comical. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

Trump won on this one issue of building a wall and the people liked that idea. The democrats should stop being for open borders and agree to build his wall. We will see how you guys operate in the next 2 years since you all will have the house, my guess is you all will want even more lax immigration enforcement and we'll see how that goes in 2020. I know the democrats need those illegal aliens for votes, but it's time to choose american citizens first.

 

Canada and the U.S. have similar cultures and values. It is obvious there is little temptation for illegal crossings between the two.
Existing fences do make a statement but a very minor one. There are countless films of families easily breaching them. On areas with easy access, walls are important with electronic monitors so that manpower can be used elsewhere. Drones in rugged areas and other types of surveilance would be necessary.
With your over the top remarks.....why don't we just open up our gates and let all the worlds poor come into America and access our entitlements? Hell, we could even greet them with an Obama phone!! Free, free free!!!!

 

Amen.

Does the administration think this entire nation is really as stupid as Sanders seems to think?

Or, what other excuse does she have for actually saying stuff like that?

It really is hard to believe.

 

Ya, the wall is mostly a symbol. Its useless without more border resources, and its benefit to those resources will be small. I dont personally think the wall itself is important. But we do need to control our border. We cannot be the haven for all the worlds poor. If our economy keeps improving, we'll need more workers and we'll let in more migrants who come to work. We can't support everyone who simply want to live in a better place without turning into what they're running from. Our social safety nets are not infinite. They are indeed tenuous and growing weaker. And you're right about there being an agenda. Its called the 'Cloward-Piven strategy' I recomend looking it up.

 

We already treat drugs as a health problem for users

Not that it does much good

Once people are hooked on the heavy stuff they have little chance of recovering

But drug dealsrs deserve to be in jail

 

Drugs come across the border by human mules also

 

All throughout Mexico there are us consulates that people can apply for asylum. People don't illegally cross the border in order to live honestly and we don't need any more people packed in our jails.

 

.....and any reasonable interpretation of that does not include the notion that they do not have the ability to use some sort of explosive,giant ladder, or a helicopter etc. You instead opted to use an unreasonable interpretation, and then proceeded to argue against YOUR unreasonable interpretation.

 

We are defending against unarmed civilians not Batman

 

Ya mean coal miners and farmers were in the country illegally and Trump got them IDs so they could vote? Go figger.

 

Then kindly explain the Great Wall of China.The Berlin Wall and
the newly built wall in Israel.Which is working better than Lucky Charms
in the morning for any kiddies with a sweet tooth.

 

There is more motivation for us to build a wall. Our Constitution extends the right to due process to anyone on our soil. That means that waiting 'til they cross the border before apprehending them incurs an unacceptable cost.

 

It is a little hard for me to believe that the passing of two years is important to you
Why? Well i presume that you are a normal conservative
And most conservatives were extoardinarily offended by all sorts of things Hillary Clinton did far back in history. So it seems unlikely that you truely don’t care about things just because they happened two years ago

Yes, and i agreed with you
The questions i raised had nothing what ever to do with the question about whether or not we build the wall. My questions were only about promises MADE about building the wall
I am interested to learn more about the persons who incessantly made the promise that Mexico would pay.... and the people to whom that promise became a rallying cry . Answering these questions have nothing do do with wheather or not we build the wall. And frankly, imo, som truth about this topic would go a long way toward defusing the debate about building the wall

Also, as I understand it, one of the great things about trump is his freedom from political correctness.... the refusal to be shackeled to saying untruths simply becausd they are what people WANT TO HEAR

it seems to me that a lot of people WANTED to hear that mexico would pay
And now thes same people do not want to hear that that the “MEXICO WILL PAY” promis was a fraud perpatrated on them by donald trump.

Now, you could say... as you apparently do now.,, this was and is an issue that is so very important that donald trump intentionally used creative hyperbole. We might agree that Donald trump knew mexico would never pay.... but donald trump used this promise to create necessary enthusiasm around this crucial project

Is that truth so very difficult to enunciate? Is that truth invulnerably protected by conservative political correctness? Is that truth any different than when obama said that we could keep our doctor?

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