Does the FBI have a problem?

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Does the FBI have a problem?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    Comey was hardly cornered. He was fired and he fully expected to be interviewed about it. And he was very truthful in that
    interview. Told them what happened, and the conversation that precipitated the action by Trump.
     
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  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And he was grilled why he did not report to Congress as required.
     
  3. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NONSENSE!!!!

    I believe in true statements. REgardless of source. Of course considering the amount of lying coming out of the white house and trumps mouth and tweets might give some the impression that many don't believe anything coming out of the white house, but its just an illusion based on the frequency of the lies.

    NOw if you are complaining about me not believing INFOWARS or Breitbart or the host of alt right garbage spewers, well then you are absolutely correct, I start from a position of disbelief.

    But, your statement is a terrific example of confirmation bias and tribalism.
     
  4. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WE have a semantic issue. When you say "|report to congress" in my corporate experience that means a direct line of authority and management. As in a direct report. The intell agencies in this context report up thru the DNI who reports directly to the president.

    Congress supplies oversight in a number of areas much like auditors. They have no direct authority over the intell personnel. Of course as a function of that oversight the committees are presented with "reports" on various operational topics. This kind of reporting is entirely different than direct line of authority reporting.

    A congressional committee cannot fire any intell agency personnel. They can't order direct operational activity. They can confirm agency execs, but they can't fire them.

    I hope this disambiguity resolves this aspect of the discussion.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what was he have supposed to have reported?
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    Report what to congress?
     
  7. Capt Nice

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    Sorry trumpeteer, it doesn't work that way.
     
  8. jgoins

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    But that is exactly how it works, MSM just can't be trusted to present the facts without their bias twisting it or out right lying about it.
     
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    How do you prove what is true and what is a lie?
     
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    Your Trump bias is showing.
     
  11. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have a matrix of criteria that includes but not limited to such things as common sense, logic, ability to identify fallacious argumentation, the intellectual capacity to differentiate between an accusation and a definitive statement of truth, verification from multiple confirming sources reporting (not just "reprints" of the original story), if there are references within the story like summarizing a source report I regularly check out those reports (you'd be amazed at how much mischaracterization and outright nonsense that uncovers). When assessing what is true and what is a lie I invariably I search for the facts surrounding the story or statement.

    For assessing a lie coming out of somebody's mouth. I studied body language and the "art of lying" in order to better compete in my career and enhance awareness of subconscious communication. It was a valuable tool in the ol' tool box even if I never attained complete facility.
     
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    And yet you still believe the lies of the left. Where is the collusion?
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    No, my realistic analysis is showing
     
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    Jonsa knows what he is talking about and is obviously a very astute individual. And then there is the Trump base. Instead of flapping
    in the breeze, why don't you try to learn something about the true state of our country under Trump.
     
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    And you're saying that trump's favorite FOX doesn't twist or out right lie? How do you think the democratic coup is going?
     
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    I say yes, because FBI Agents, just like police, EMS, Firefighters, Doctors, Ironworkers, etc come from society, and society is filled with problems, such as, emotional problems, psychological problems, sociological problems, you name, they have it, just like most others in society.
     
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    We are ALL entitled to believe what we want to believe.
     
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    The FBI is led by collectivist revolutionaries who didnt get the memo that progressivism was shovelled into a shallow grave about a year ago. They'll get it eventually though.

    The average agent is just a patriot that was selected to uphold the law... but first and foremost to follow orders. Those orders are tainted with bias. Time will fix it.
     
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    The collusion? I'm damn sure we haven't seen or heard all the evidence has been amassed by the investigation. Since Mueller et.al. don't appear to be leaking anything at all about it, the best we have right now is reports from investigative journalists and various leakers (on both sides).

    There is evidence of INTENT as witnessed by jr.s emails. There is evidence that the trump campaign KNEW russia was supporting their candidate. There is evidence of numerous interactions with russians that trump people serially lied about. There is evidence of knowledge aforethought on Trump's part when he requested Comey drop the flynn case.

    and of course we have no clue what financial evidence they may have of trump/russia financial dealings other than from the steele report that some financial "sweeteners" were offered, negotiations for tump moscow were engaged in but trump didn't appear to accept.

    IMHO, I think he's guilty as sin, but there ain't nearly enough public evidence to convict. Which is why Mueller's work must continue to completion. Premature adjudication benefits no one - guilty or innocent.
     
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    But you were fine with premature adjudication in Hillary's case.
     
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    I watch Fox a lot and I have seen them bring democrats in to show their side of an issue often. How often does MSM bring in republicans to express their side of anything?
     
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    Why don't you give it a chance to succeed or fail on it's own instead of continually trying to throw a monkey wrench into the works. We Americans can see how much the left fights against any change from Obama's direction, why not wait until 2020 to state your case that it is the wrong direction? The longer you on the left oppose and resist the larger the right grows.
     
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    Not when your every post is dripping with hatred for Trump, how is that realistic analysis?
     
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    in what way?
    There is no dripping. Just realistic analysis.
     
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    He is leading us in the wrong direction, and if we Americans wait, we will no longer be a democratic republic at the end of his term.
     

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