Does the FBI have a problem?

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Does the FBI have a problem?

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  1. jgoins

    jgoins Well-Known Member

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    More doom and gloom. There were many predicting the same thing when Obama got elected and none of that came to pass. Just because we are changing direction the country is going doesn't mean we will be destroyed, it just means we are trying something different. Do you grab the steering wheel when you are on a car trip with someone else driving because you think they are going the wrong way?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not a fan of the constitution I see.
     
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    I never thought to count but I'd be safe in saying at least every day.
     
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    Brilliant remark. Shows education, knowledge, and understanding. Simply brilliant.
     
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    Obama was not trying to suppress the free press, prevent the FBI from doing it's job by attempting to fire the special counsel as he closes in on trump, and firing the Director when he wouldn't cow-tow to Trump, assault the pillars of our democracy, society, nation,
    alienate our allies, diss the UN, deny climate change, ignore our own people in Peurto Rico, toss children of immigrants who only know
    America as their country, abuse the equal judicial and legislative branches of our government, sexually abuse women (admitted),
    is divisive and vindictive. He is a clear and present danger---with nukes. Changing direction? That's not what I call It. How about--no direction. Our nation is not a car, not even close and that is the problem with the trumpists.
     
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    Fallacious whataboutery. Got anything of substance to add or just the lame defense "your bad is badder than my bad" nonsense.

    I did actually not think Hillary was guilty of anything in Uranium one deal, or guilty of anything in benghazi and thought that if not criminal a private server was an incredibly irresponsible and down right stupid.

    OTOH, I also have the intellectual capacity to identify political witch hunts that are designed to deflect/defend if required OR to create a false impression on partisans that the other side is corrupt. Doesn't matter if its true or not if much partisan political hay can be reaped.

    So far mueller's investigation has four indictments and the promise of more to come. Indictments against FOUR members of trump's team. That is not a witchhunt, that is a professional investigation bearing fruit. Kinda different than the hillary investigations, eh?
     
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    After your post? Definitely.
     
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    But were the so called convictions collusion and was Trump involved? Clinton was impeached but not for the crime Ken Starr was supposed to investigate.
     
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    Trump has not done any of those things except in your eyes and others on the left. Bring the proof in court if any exist.
     
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    I doubt even once.
     
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    He has done and is in the process of doing all of those things, in case you haven't noticed. Deny, Deny, Deny, and then maybe it will go away.
     
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    I am on the right and this is what I have observed. You don't agree. However, if any President has or is doing these things, you would
    agree that he/she is leading us in the wrong direction, yes?
     
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    You can doubt for the rest of your life or you can prove it to yourself by watching MSNBC. Try it for one day and you'll at least know where we're 'coming from' and why.
     
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    If any President breaks the law he should be removed from office but it doesn't mean we are going in the wrong direction. If you really on the "right" you would want to take the country in the total opposite direction that Obama did.
     
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    Where is the proof?
     
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    And you can try watching Fox and Friends in the mornings and Fox news for one day then you will know where we're coming from. All news outlets are about 5% news and 95% opinion disguised as news. Maybe we should just let Trump do what he can for America succeed of fail. What the left is doing with it's resist and obstruct policy is giving the administration a good excuse if they fail to make America better.
     
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    I'm familiar with FOX. Your comment showed me you weren't familiar with MSM. That's all, carry on.
     
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    Really? Being on the right doesn't mean that I oppose everything on the left. It also doesn't mean that I vote for anyone who is running for office as long as he/she is on the right, especially in this case.
     
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    It's coming, it's coming. Don't you worry. Trump's fixation on the special prosecutor and the investigation tells a story. If he has done no
    wrong, then why? Go for it. Reminds me of Nixon during the Watergate investigation. I always wondered why Nixon was so fixated, as the coverup was unraveling.
     
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    What does it say for a leader whose closest aides were interacting with a HOSTILE foreign government operatives regarding an ongoing conflict with them that resulted in heavy sanctions ON TOP of the ones that were in the process of being implemented without him being aware. On the very day those were instituted, no less.

    given Don Donald has demonstrated that the world revolves around him even publically stating that in the end its what HE wants that is important, do you think Trump had no clue?

    If so, Wanna deal on some soon to be ocean front property in Arizona?
     
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    Until some proof miraculously appears he is innocent.
     
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    I have been a long time registered democrat but changed during Bush's second term election. I only want Trump to be able to try his ideas to see if they might work for America but with all the left trying to obstruct and resist it will be easy for him to blame any failure on them. If they would support his ideas and they fail then it is on him and if they succeed then they can share the credit, seems like a win win to me.
     
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    yes
     
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    They are obstructing and resisting because Trump is taking our country down a horrible path. He is trying to suppress our free press,
    which is crucial to our democracy. He is .........eh.
     

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