Enough PC already. History Is!

Every single state secession declaration mentions slavery first and foremost for the reason to secede.

 

No they weren't. Fun fact: The Bible lies about Egypt.

 

Have you read To kill a Mockingbird?
"I walked home with Dill and returned in time to overhear Atticus saying to Aunty, "I'm in favor of Southern womanhood as much as anybody, but not for preserving polite fiction at the expense of human life," a pronouncement that made me suspect they had been fussing again."

This is a book that shows clearly the caste system and how pretty manners and gallantry hide the reality.

 

Harper Lee of Monroeville, Alabama must have been a real rebel.

AND

manners hide reality is a truism regarding manners!&! Si?
That's why manners is conveniently absent from Politically Correct.

 

James McPherson has written a book about the Civil War years after "Battle Cry of Freedom"

I prefer the War Between the States.

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The War That Forged a Nation: Why the Civil War Still Matters 1st Edition
by James M. McPherson

Here is a review. It speaks to today too.


More than 140 years ago, Mark Twain observed that the Civil War had "uprooted institutions that were centuries old, changed the politics of a people, transformed the social life of half the country, and wrought so profoundly upon the entire national character that the influence cannot be measured short of two or three generations." In fact, five generations have passed, and Americans are still trying to measure the influence of the immense fratricidal conflict that nearly tore the nation apart.

In The War that Forged a Nation, Pulitzer Prize-winning historian James M. McPherson considers why the Civil War remains so deeply embedded in our national psyche and identity. The drama and tragedy of the war, from its scope and size--an estimated death toll of 750,000, far more than the rest of the country's wars combined--to the nearly mythical individuals involved--Abraham Lincoln, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson--help explain why the Civil War remains a topic of interest. But the legacy of the war extends far beyond historical interest or scholarly attention. Here, McPherson draws upon his work over the past fifty years to illuminate the war's continuing resonance across many dimensions of American life.

Touching upon themes that include the war's causes and consequences; the naval war; slavery and its abolition; and Lincoln as commander in chief, McPherson ultimately proves the impossibility of understanding the issues of our own time unless we first understand their roots in the era of the Civil War. From racial inequality and conflict between the North and South to questions of state sovereignty or the role of government in social change--these issues, McPherson shows, are as salient and controversial today as they were in the 1860s.

Thoughtful, provocative, and authoritative, The War that Forged a Nation looks anew at the reasons America's civil war has remained a subject of intense interest for the past century and a half, and affirms the enduring relevance of the conflict for America today.

https://www.amazon.com/War-That-For...5771/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=
Enjoy the considerations, or not. Try the look inside feature.
The price for a hardcover book is astonishing low.


Moi

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No, don't agree. Offering someone the sugar before you sugar your own coffee? What reality is that hiding?

Manners and politically correct?

DEAR MISS MANNERS: In the light of rude comments made by political candidates under the guise of not being politically correct, could you please explain how to be polite without being politically correct?

GENTLE READER: Good question. As modern usage of the term “politically correct” has meant refraining from delivering wholesale insults to groups of people, that would be difficult.

The usual defense by those who express nastiness is that they are being frank and honest about what they think. As indeed they are. But that does not make their spoken opinions any less nasty.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/02...rence-between-politically-incorrect-and-rude/

 

That you hate them and hope they get diabetes.



Miss. Manners is Jewish. http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=2442
Ann Landers too http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=368
Abigail Van Buran (Pauline Phillips) too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Phillips
http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1582

 

Your dots don't quite connect.

 

No, it means you are showing consideration for them.
As all those nice Jewish ladies would tell you.

 

Not many people know about this clause in the Constitution but it is still there.

https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literat...the-people----slavery-and-the-us-constitution

 

I agree you have a problem.

 

One more time

Well that's what I got from a YouTube search for "One More Time"
Now that the Y chromosomes people are most likely are paying attention

One more time
" . . . <edit>
McPherson ultimately proves the impossibility of understanding the issues of our own time unless we first understand their roots in the era of the Civil War. From racial inequality and conflict between the North and South to questions of state sovereignty or the role of government in social change--these issues, McPherson shows, are as salient and controversial today as they were in the 1860s. "

Yet people today are only willing to cite "slavery"
and write off anything but . . .

I view them as lacking education. Or even thinking enough to consider what else may have been a factor.
As if only one irritant caused the War Between The States.
It couldn't have been two, or three, or several more.

Although I do not deny slavery and murderous abolitionist, I also feel (it's the 21st century, how I feel = truth, regardless)
the usual economic drain on rural areas of a nation by industrial areas played a role.
Cotton was the Petro Dollar of the era, yet the south was getting poorer.

Also the Rights of States and a feeling of indignation even by non slave owners over
the Yankees involving the Federals in areas they should not be involved. Remember a citizen was a Virginian, not an American - first. Before the War, one might speak of These United States of America, after the War it was, The United States of America. States becoming little more than Sovietsky Republics. Maybe we will achieve our FREEDOM as those Republics did.


Moi

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From your previous notes it seemed I was confused by the
importation of Africans for Slavery and the cessation of slavery.

If you don't spot it, I take full blame and responsibility after of course.

 

And?

 

"And" #62 above

 

The difference is one of degree. Just stopping the importation would not have automatically have ended the ownership of slaves. However the intent of the clause was to prevent any laws banning the slave trade for a minimum of 20 years. The presumption being (I assume) that slavery was being phased out elsewhere and would eventually happen in the USA too.

 

Or from the South's point of view
They could manage breeding slaves in 20 years.
If not feel certain of illegal importation such as involved Jim Bowie and Jean Lafitte.

 

Politicians have a bad habit of kicking the can down the road until the problem festers into open warfare.

 

https://www.nps.gov/resources/story.htm?id=217
Confronting Slavery and Revealing the "Lost Cause"
By James Oliver Horton, Professor Emeritus, George Washington University
While slavery was not the only cause for which the South fought during the Civil War, the testimony of Confederate leaders and their supporters makes it clear that slavery was central to the motivation for secession and war.

 

That is an excellent article, thank you.

Found this part particularly relevant to this discussion.

A lot of the same fears and complaints from the white nationalists here on this board are the same expressed by these Confederates in the 1800's. The south really hasn't improved or progressed that much since then. The south really is the third world of the United States and those trying to push the lie that the south was noble and that the war wasn't about slavery since most southerners didn't own slaves, well that's the real white washing and political correctness. The south is the epitome of p.c. culture. Political correctness is about taking things that are politically hurtful or damning and lying about them until the public believes it. It's politically damming that the south fought to preserve the evil institution of slavery so they p.c.ed it up until the war was about preserving the southern way of life........................








..........which was founded on slavery.

 

So, you don't believe we are more advanced socially now than in the past and that life doesn't hold more value?

What is your explanation for our prevailing society if you don't believe we can improve?

 

Lol, what ignorance. The south really hasn't progressed much, lol.

 

What value do the lives of the children who have been ABDUCTED and INCARCERATED by your odious BLOTUS?

How is his Crime Against Humanity any different to the abductions and incarcerations of children during the holocaust?

 

I didn't word that well.
The same awful things happen now as they did in the past. Human nature doesn't change.

 

Some of us are......