Enough PC already. History Is!

Human nature doesn't change, but the social contract does. This argument is often made by looking at anyone could be a guard at a concentration camp if put into the same circumstances. The entire idea is that people conform to the culture of the time, place and circumstance.

 

"Us", lol. We are all just co-existing hairless apes. As we go, we get better at co-existing, but it's always on the edge of a razor blade above chaos.

 

You seem to lack the ability to shift perspective and scale. A razors edge might seem small in our hands but large under a microscope and under that microscope we might discover that an entire world exists. Humans in relation to the cosmos aren't even a tourist trap off an aging route 66. Scale in a little more into our solar system and we're a mildly interesting anomaly. So while we might just be barely civilized animals with all the knowledge and perspective of a grain of sand on a beach the size of the European continent, there is still an oceans width of intelligence between liberals and the tiki torch bearers.

 

The Taliban destroyed some Buddhist idols following that philosophy.

 

Sure. Slavers did a great deal of good, too. They should be remembered for that good.

 

Wow

 

And English settlers did the same thing to the native population so I guess everyone is the same. White people are no better than the Taliban.

 

If they did things worth celebrating, certainly. We are not celebrating them because they were slavers, but for the many other laudable things they did.

 

And neither is the Left. We are engaged in a culture war. I think White culture is much better than Taliban and PC culture.

 

You just got done saying everyone is the same now you think you're better? Why don't you make up your mind.

 

Impossible for those lacking one in the first place!

 

Everyone is the same in wanting their own culture to dominate. The cultures are different, however.

White culture is the best culture and I want it to dominate.

What culture do you want dominating?

 

Which white culture? Conservative bible belt culture? Hollywood liberal culture? 60's free drugs and rock and roll culture? European socialist cultures? Aryan nationalist culture?

Personally I find the question ridiculous. Culture is not synonymous with values. There is plenty of beauty to be found in Muslim cultures that doesn't mean all muslims value human life. Conversely the existence of Muslim terrorists doesn't mean that there aren't muslims all over the world who value human life, freedom and democracy. That you even ask the question serves to highlight your rudimentary understanding of life, culture and values.

 

I'll let the Southern States' own historical words speak for themselves.

Mississippi
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery–the greatest material interest of the world.

Georgia
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. ...
The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races, disregard of all constitutional guarantees in its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers. With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers. The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization. ... We refuse to submit to that judgment ...

South Carolina
But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. ...
On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States. The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

Texas
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. ... In all the non-slave-holding States ... They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States. ... For these and other reasons, ... Texas, in Convention assembled, have passed an ordinance dissolving all political connection with the government of the United States of America ...

Virginia
... the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States. Now, therefore, we, the people of Virginia, do declare ... the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and all acts of the General Assembly of this State, ratifying or adopting amendments to said Constitution, are hereby repealed and abrogated ...

Alabama
Our delegates selected shall be instructed to submit to the general convention the following basis of a settlement of the existing difficulties between the Northern and Southern States, to wit:

1. A faithful execution of the fugitive slave law …
2. A more stringent and explicit provision for the surrender of criminals charged with offenses against laws of one State and escaping into another.
3. A guaranty that slavery shall not be abolished in the District of Columbia …
4. A guaranty that the interstate slave-trade shall not be interfered with.
5. A protection to slavery in the Territories …
6. The right of transit through free States with slave property.

Statement of Alexander Hamilton Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy, on the new Confederate Constitution:
But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
https://arcdigital.media/the-civil-war-in-the-souths-own-words-16cc6a6daa9e

If you are interested in academic history as you claim, you will read the pages of the actual words used by Southern States to justify their succession from the union. They ramble on, page after page, about how they've been abused by the non-slave states over the issue of slavery.

Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of US history will know the greatest issues facing the nation leading up to the Civil War were about the question of slavery. The Missouri compromise of 1820, The compromise of 1850, and the Kansas-Nebraska Act 1854, and indeed, the compromise on counting black people in the US constitution were the results of disputes between North and South over the issue slavery that continued to broil in the pre-Civil War days.

What broke the back for Southerners was the election in 1860 of an abolitionist, who had made statements about the need to end slavery.

You pretend to complain about "PC" and "white-washing" history and then engage it an act of white-washing far greater than those you accuse.

 

Lol, you brought it all back to a narcissistic pedestal, lol.

 

All of the above. These subcultures are all concerned with the same basic questions to which they find slightly variant answers.

Of course they are concerned with values! What part of human existence is concerned with values if not cultures? It is the culture which values monogamy or not, freedom or not and every other value you can think of.

I doubt there are many such Muslims. Muslim civilization has always valued theocracy. I dare say you cannot find a single classical Muslim philosopher who valued free inquiry, whereas we of the West have Socrates, Plato, etc. Certainly no Muslim state embodied any sort of democratic polity. Indeed, no civilization anywhere on the planet embodied any sort of democratic notion before they learned about it from the West.

Which question? My question as to which culture you want to see dominant?

If so, please tell me about your more sophisticated understanding.

 

Do you not know that Algebra is from Islamic mathematicians? al-Khwarizmi is called the father of algebra for christsakes. Just listen to algebra roll of your tongue and tell me where you think that word originates from.

 

Does that mean that the type of person we are is irrelevant and our behaviour isn't a choice, that is depends on what is going on at the time? Scarey.

 

Please identify the "many other laudable things [slavers] did" in your view.

 

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I can't imagine what algebra has to do with values and culture.

In any case, the Greeks invented algebra and it is Diophantus who is known as the "father of algebra." He died centuries before Mohamed was born.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus

 

Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, George Washington is known as the "father of his country." Elihu Yale was a significant benefactor of Yale University which is named in his honor.

Stephen Austin settled the state of Texas, which is why he is honored there.

 

Simple:

As it was written

so you shall.​

Got FREE Will or just the illusion of FREE Will.
And how would you know?
Meditation Time. ttfn OOOOhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm

 

It means that we as creatures conform to our environments. This is why society often changes in leaps and not gradually.

 

Interesting. I was just having an involved discussion about enclosure, the clearances and the industrial revolution and how this pertains to the Civil War in the US. Getting too complicated!