European MP's suspect Manning is being tortured

It is.

Which is why the word 'allegations' has been used, several times.

However, what is more interesting to me is that fellow Americans are keen to now see one of their own treated in a possibly barbaric and dubious manner.

As I've said, they should be treating whistleblowers as heroes, given that they are one of the few ways that the elites can be held accountable, for their actions. Think about Julian Assenge. I don't know what was more laughable - the MASSIVE COINCIDENCE that he just happened to have a rape charge allegation aimed at him, at the precise moment that Wikileaks was at optimum heights, or what the allegation actually amounted to, in the end.

Some in the American politic were raving that he should be sent to the US to be 'tried for treason'. What a lot of utter BS, the sort of mentality that I would have expected from an Empire sick nation, mind you. He is not American, and what he did was not treason, at all.

My measure is to now dismiss what the elites tell us as mostly fiction, and that the opposite is likely true.

For instance, if the elites say Iraq has WMD, the truth would be that they don't.

If the elites say Iran has nukes, or want to 'wipe Israel off the map', then the truth will be that Iran has no nukes, and said no such thing, in reality.

I prefer truth to being lied to.

And the elites lie A LOT.

 

But they are fit.

 

SUPER HERO , JULIAN STILL BEING A HERO

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange launched the website's new project on Thursday, the publication of files it claims shows a global industry that gives dictatorships tools to spy on their citizens.

In parallel to Assange's announcement, Wikileaks' partner Owni.fr released evidence that a French firm helped Muammer Gaddafi's former Libyan regime spy on opposition figures living in exile in Britain.

It had already been revealed that the electronics firm, Amesys, had worked with the Libyan regime -- and French rights groups are attempting to take the group to court -- but Owni's files will prove embarrassing.

They appear to show that a manual provided to Libya to operate a "massive Internet surveillance" set-up known as the Eagle system included the email addresses and pseudonyms of opposition leaders.

One of them, 74-year-old writer Mahmud Al-Naku, campaigned against Kadhafi in exile and has now been named his country's ambassador to London by the victorious new former rebel government.

Another figure on the surveillance list was Atia Lawgali, 60, who has since been named Libya's new minister of culture. Several more Libyan and western figures are on the list, contained in a leaked screenshot.

Kadhafi's regime has been accused of sending agents to harass and even kill opposition figures in exile.

Owni also published the user manual provided to the Libyans to operate their Internet spying system, which it boasts can intercept emails and webmail, VOIP calls, instant messages and search engine requests.

Contacted by AFP, Amesys said that Libya had been under no trade embargo after 2003, and that a number of French and international companies had done business with Gaddafi's government.

"Amesys delivered the Libyan authorities equipment and had no control over the use to which it was put," said the firm, which was bought by the French electronic group Bull in 2010.

The International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) has lodged a legal complaint over Amesys' contract with Libya in a French court, alleging complicity in rights abuses.

The Wikileaks files reveal the activities of about 160 companies in 25 countries which develop technologies to allow the tracking and monitoring of individuals by their mobile phones, email and Internet browsing histories.

"Today we release over 287 files documenting the reality of the international mass surveillance industry -- an industry which now sells equipment to dictators and democracies alike in order to intercept entire populations," Assange told reporters in London.

He said that in the last 10 years it had grown from a covert industry which primarily supplied government intelligence agencies such as the NSA in the United States and Britain's GCHQ, to a huge transnational business.

Assange has been in Britain for the past year fighting extradition to Sweden for questioning on allegations of rape and sexual assault, living under tight bail conditions. His case is due to come up again on Monday.

The documents on the website include manuals for surveillance products sold to repressive Arab regimes.

They have come to light in part from offices ransacked during uprisings in countries such as Egypt and Libya earlier this year, as well as investigative work by WikiLeaks and its media and campaigning partners.

"These systems that are revealed in these documents show exactly the kind of systems that the Stasi (East Germany's secret police) wished they could have built," said Jacob Appelbaum, a former WikiLeaks spokesman and computer expert at the University of Washington.

"These systems have been sold by Western companies to places for example like Syria, and Libya and Tunisia and Egypt. These systems are used to hunt people down and to murder."

Experts who worked on the release warned that at present the industry was completely unregulated.

"Western governments cannot stand idly by while this technology is still being sold," said Eric King, from the Privacy International campaign group.

It is the first time WikiLeaks has released documents since it announced on October 24 that it had been forced to suspend publishing classified files due to a funding blockade that saw its revenues plunge by 95 percent.

Thursday's announcement had been trailed as the launch of a new secure system to submit documents to the site, but Assange said WikiLeaks was still working on this, saying the threat of surveillance made it extremely difficult.

Agency news release picked up by the Caucasus Emirate and reported through Kavkazcenter

 

Brits have an obesity rate close to our own.

I disagree with Salvo though. Brits are often some of the funniest people on Earth (like Monty Python).

 

Unlike you presumably Al bert , where it is just a matter of brain cells .
What a plonker he is , Rodney !!

 

That explains your ignorance about so many issues.

 

Are you afraid to put up the entire quote?

Is this what you resort to, as a means of cheap points scoring?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining

 

I'm honestly not sure where I stand with Manning. He was in a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty situation and had to make a decision, but he also signed up for a job that relinquishes a lot of your rights.

When you join the military, you're putting your neck on the line for a lot of things, and if you do something like what Manning did, you take a lot of heat for it.

The line between sedition and whistleblowing can be rather blurry at times.

I'm not sure whether to call him a hero or a traitor, honestly.

I have the same ambivalence towards Assange. In theory, Wikileaks is a valuable resource. In practice, Assange seems to have his own agendas in what he releases.

 

I am holding Bradley Manning in my basement bound, shackled, blindfolded, and ball gagged. I am about to go down there for the next corncob session with the dear boy. Any messages you want me to convey?

 

Well, try to use this as measure.

How are the rabid right in the US receiving Manning?

Whatever their position is, take the opposite one, it is likely to be the morally and legally correct path.

Moreover, it is interesting that there is so much hate whipped up against this one man, over some information which actually appears to be rather benign in nature, when the same people that shake their first at his actions, go sort of quiet when stories of American soldiers raping kids, shooting their parents, and burning the bodies, break out..

Interesting eh?

 

We need more CORN!

 

lol... I can sympathize with the statement about the right, but seriously...

I just question exactly how someone would receive a Manning that did the same to their own country.

I seriously doubt that the U.K. government would give a Manning of their own much leniency. They'd probably be a little less blatant about things, but overall, servicemen are held to a higher standard of loyalty than civilians. This is true of just about every military.

If Manning was a civilian, things would be different.

 

That you are in to Man Love ?

 

The right has nothing to do with the treatment of Manning. This is all Obama's doing. He's in charge of the dear boy.

 

I was thinking of moving on to sandpaper.

 

Don't be a homophobe you toothless Englishman.

 

The Europeans have already determined that the British, beating the crap out of Irish prisoners isnt torture. Amazing, that with a straight face they can try to argue that naked solitary confinement is torture when America does it.

 

No more odd than the left championing him as some kind of whistleblower.

 

That's a great point. The British treatment of Irish prisoners leaves the Limeys with unclean hands. Rep for you.

 

See.

Why can't you just say 'some people', rather than attach yet another clearly divisive label?

Would you prefer the state and their affiliates to be less accountable then?

For that is how whistleblowers are spawned you know. The more secret and detached the state comes from the people, the less it feels it must be accountable and transparent to the people. When you operate with more transparency and more accountability, the very need for whistleblowers logically decreases, you see. When you are not routinely engaged in secret, and often illegal actions, there is no one to report them you see, since they are not happening.

JFK warned about this in an address to the nation.

What happened to him again?

 

Which?

AFAIK, convicted men were released by the British en masse.

Besides, we have had this Plastic Paddy stuff with you, on other threads.

The real Irish Republicans laugh at the like of you. Moreover, these Irish Republicans that you hail, they are staunch supporters of Hamas and the struggle of the Palestinians. In short, they would want nothing to do with you.

 

He is in charge of what he is told he can decide on.

He is merely a puppet, a figurehead.

 

The bulk of the Americans here are a pathetic advertisement for a once interesting young country .
The topic is a Whistle blower who has changed the world for the better by exposing lies , deceit , dishonesty , fraud and rank inhumanity .
I could not care about your drug fuelled inhumanity toward Asians in the Vietnam War or violations of Human Rights by the British Army in Ireland .
I am not an apologist for either country .
But Bradley Manning --- who may be a sad individual --- has done more good possibly than any other one individual in modern history .
He pissed all over the American Terrorists . And you lot are bleating like stuck pigs .
It's not nice to have your own home run down as the nastiest place on the planet and it gets ordinary people very angry
Their world mind set has been ruined . Your world mind set is ruined .
But America has no world mission. Your Terrorism has been extreme and you are caught out and exposed .
Live with it , and stop hating the one person who has put a mirror to your collective face and showed it to be ugly and mean .

 

Here is an analogy, let's see what you get from it.

I knew a girl once who had something called Borderline Personality Disorder. She could appear one way, while being another. She could be v manipulative, often acting with questionable intent. She saw everything in black and white. Many of her actions were damaging, to herself yes, but mainly to those that were closest to her, or who came into her world.

Lest someone held the mirror to her, she would lash out, and refuse to see it in herself.

I am a great believer that it is possible for an entire mass(hysteria), to be caught up in a temporary madness, one which causes them to behave in a manner similar.


Jack

 

Because his supporters seem to come exclusively from the left. Its always the left who champions those who violate the law and the right who supports the enforcement of those laws.