European MP's suspect Manning is being tortured

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  1. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    I understand. I know we disagree on certain things, but I feel similarly about our politicians.
     
  2. Jack Napier

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    Gullible?

    That state terror kills more than non state terror?

    That sir is a statement of fact.
     
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    He is a leftist loser traitor. What do European leftists have to do with Manning's case? Nothing.
     
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    Sure, they definitely cherrypick. All of the members of the UN Security Council do. I'm just saying that a resolution authorizing invasion must be supportive of terror if the war itself can be considered terror.

    Over here, WMDs had a rather broad definition. We weren't really told much about long range missiles -- it was more of a discussion about chemical weapons. That's the sort of thing we sold Saddam.

    Unfortunately, some of that stuff was probably used on Kurds.

    We did find a few things, which has led to a lot of theories.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Iraq_Survey_Group

    They were known to experiment on prisoners of war, and they raped and pillaged Manchuria and several other conquered areas. Surrender in and of itself was difficult to establish at first anyway, because of conflicting statements by the Emperor vs. the Japanese military.

    While nuking Japan wasn't required for victory, it also wasn't as horrid as it's often made out to be. If killing millions of Japanese was our goal, we could've easily firebombed them to oblivion.

    We didn't. What we did instead was use two very powerful bombs to kill a lot of people at once for the intimidation factor. It made certain that far less resistance would develop after surrender and that the Soviets knew what was at stake if they pushed things too far in Europe.

    The fact that it killed a lot of Japanese civilians is of little consequence when looking at how little mercy the Japanese had for civilians of any other country. Total war is like that.

    I would like us to be less interventionist, if nothing else....

    I'm not privy to the reasons, honestly. That's the tricky part about foreign policy in general. All of us here are only working with a fraction of the facts involved oftentimes. A lot of things require a security clearance.

    See above. I wouldn't know for sure because I'm not privy to everything that every government does.

    There's plenty of dirt on the U.S. government partially because we seem to have problems with keeping things secret, and partially because we're the biggest target and most active military force.

    When you consider that there are also things like Wikileaks that seem to have an anti-Western agenda as well, it's become much easier to find dirt on the American government and its peers.

    Note how there isn't a web tool for finding dirt on countries like China and Russia. It's not because they lack dirt -- it's because they're better at keeping things secret. They also have societies where personal freedoms are fewer, so it is presumably easier for the respective governments to catch people before they leak things.

    The same could be said of the Middle East, but it looks like a lot of that region has reached a tipping point.
     
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    Here are some stats and facts regarding the firebombing of Japan's cities: http://hnn.us/articles/135753.html
    http://alternativeperspective.blogspot.com/2005/08/tokyo-fire-bombing-were-hiroshima.html
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    Obama must be impeached for this.


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    I'm going to have to agree with you. Barry has tortured me for years with his America bashing speeches in other countries much more than the Manning guy has been tortured.

    Barry is terrorizing our whole country every day that he holds the greatest power on the planet.
     
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    Barry's torture of the terms: "Ah" and "Um" are worthy of impeachment alone, but the torture of this man is beyond the pale.
    Progressives should be tearing their pre-torn, stressed designer jeans over this.

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    Remember to use this as a retort anytime some lib says Bush/Cheney tortured prisoners.
     
  10. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    No elected official holds much power compared to the people that put them in power.

    Goldman Sachs has more power than the president.
     
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    Daily. :mrgreen:




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  13. Jack Napier

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    The 'people', I am sorry to say, no longer have any power.

    You live in a two party duopoly.

    Both appear to represent different ideals, and will even go as far as to appear to 'argue' on various issues. It is all a sham. A theatre - put on for an audience.
     

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