FBI admits it didn't investigate tip on alleged school shooter

This threads about the FBI dropping the ball in this school shooting. They admit it so why can't you?

 

How often has anyone in Florida ever been banned from owning a gun without having actually broken a law? Courts are full and only a small percent of the cases where people are potentially dangerous are going to go there. He would have just said he was joking, it is far from clear he was mentally ill and Florida is strongly opposed to limiting gun ownership.

It is not the job of the FBI to stop dangerous people from getting guns - that is the state's role. If they went about that people would be deeply angry about federal overreach.

 

The Dotard said it to put the blame on the victims, and not on his idea's about gun control to protect the victims.

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. Pro-tip: if you've decided to participate on these fora, basic communication skills are a definite plus. Brush up!

 

The FBI going forward is not going to do this. It is not their primary job, they have not got the resources to do it, and many object to federal involvement in gun regulation.

 

The guy was an obvious threat and the FBI obviously had a duty to keep an eye on him

 

Sounds like this all goes clear above your head. lol

 

First of course you have no idea what material was submitted to get the FISA warrant which was approved not once but at least three separate times.

And what exactly is keeping tabs on someone? Are you talking 24 hour round the clock surveillance.

 

Lol. goodbye. I'm not going to converse with someone who's so deeply committed to denying, lying and covering for their paternalistic benefactors.

parting comment....look, I sorta understand the impulse to protect people who endlessly promise to hand out more free stuff, I really do, but at some point, their lies, corruption, scheming, cover-ups, flagrant abuses of power, etc, should give one pause.... at some point, self-respect should come into play.

now you go have yourself a nice afternoon, ya hear..

 

Didn't think you could explain. Thanks for playing.

 

And do what? Do you think the FBI has the manpower to follow around every possible armed threat? There are always lots of angry, lonely people with guns. Unless the law was changed to make it easy to take his weapon, and it was enforceable including him not being able to buy another, the FBI can do very little. Preventing this type of attack is not its primary mission. Nor would most Americans support it identifying threats and taking weapons from them. If such a law is proposed, watch what the reaction is. It would never pass.

 

Boston or Florida - or anywhere else, there's nothing they could have done prior to the atrocities taking place. That's where it all falls down?

Well there was that too!

 

yes, this fbi agent should be fired if did not follow procedures and if the procedures were bad, the procedures need to be changed
that said, not sure if they could of done anything or not about it, could they of taken his guns, not sure, maybe the agent was a pro-guns nut and did not even want to try, let's investigate it, find out what happened

can the fbi take the guns of someone that says on the internet or in public they could shoot someone in the middle of the street and not lose any votes - maybe - maybe not

 

this was Trump's FBI, maybe he spends so much time demoralizing the FBI, they missed up, who knows, maybe he needs to back off and let them do their jobs

see we can both make it a party thing, rather then trying to figure out what really happened and trying to prevent it from ever happening again, do we need new powers bestowed the FBI, did a agent drop the ball, do procedures need changed? all questions that need answered

 

Is this a thread about people blaming government for not protecting them from everything?

As far as I'm aware, there's never been any government on earth that has solved all the problems.

I know this may seem like a completely bizarre concept to some of you but maybe, just maybe, you can't predict who's going to commit murder before they do the deed. (The only real exception I see to this is someone caught trying to hire a third party hitman to kill someone for them)

 

Its the FBIs job to prevent mass murders like this

As you say they cannot always succeed but in this case tey didnt even try

Too busy spying on trump I suppose

 

Based on what law. People in the US strongly object to the federal government taking guns from people - at least in the South. The FBI has neither the manpower not the legal requirement to go after every potentially dangerous person. Do you think this is the only mentally ill/dangerous/violent person who has a gun? If the FBI did this it would be all they did.

It is a state and local responsibility. And one Florida rejects which is why they are happy to shift the blame to the FBI. If the FBI starts trying to take guns from people (through state courts) there will be major resistance.

 

They'd be able to if politicians had the guts to make it possible by revising the legislature to bring it more in line with the times.

 

Another liberal saying "see something say nothing because it's not the job of the FBI and nothing can be done anyway."

 

In this recent case yes. The guy threatened to shoot up a school and owned the weapons to do so. He had a long history with police and had and bragged about killing animals for kicks. He was a lit fuse and warranted 24-7 surveillance and if that had been done 17 people would be alive today.

 

Would have been a lot easier and more effective to confiscate his guns and prohibit him from buying more. Not sure that the FBI's job is to surveil potential gun threats. Sounds to me more like a job for local law enforcement. Blaming the FBI instead of local officials and law enforcement seems a bit like passing the buck by Rubio and Scott not to mention Trump.

 

The FBI admits they completely dropped the ball here. Why is it so difficult for those of you on the left to just agree with that?

 

Irrelevent to the discussion about what should have bern done to prevent the shooting. Lots of questions about even if the protocol had been followed would the shooting have been prevented. In fact Have yet to see the specifics of exactly what the FBI should have done. Do you have a link to the protocol they didn't follow?

 

Many gun owners on this forum have boasted about their shooting of animals for fun. All mass shooters had a love for guns and followed that up by shooting animals for fun before finally choosing human targets

 

Making terrorist threats is a crime

The cops were called to his house between 20 and 39 times

You can make excuses for the Deep State but then dont turn around a shed fake tears over the dead kids

Someone at the FBI deserves to be fired over this screwup