FBI May "Leak" Clinton Email Probe If DOJ Blocking Continues

You confuse me with someone that buys your BS. I dont. Mmkay mr the secret service had the perimeter around the server secured....what are you 85?

 

I Will wait for the FBI decsion.

 

Report me. The FBI will conduct their investigation without your assistance, and I imagine unless they confirm your conspiracy theories, you'll cry about those too. I don't know how many republican led inquiries and testimonies from senior military officers it takes to convince you. You clearly have nothing more than an axe to grind about hillary, you have little attachment to reality, and I can't wait until she's elected potus to see your head explode. Get a clue.

 

No there doesn't but yes she did else she is a total incompetent and again should NEVER be in a position to deal with our highly classified secrets. She was TRAINED in recognizing classified information, information which is BORN classified such as the information I have listed. SHE setup the server into which she directed ALL her official emails, are you saying she was elected to the position of Secretary of State and she didn't know Secretaries of State deal with classified information, our most HIGHLY classified information?

Even MORE reason not to elect her President.

There is no dispute in particular over the 22 emails with our most highly guarded information which even the FBI agents and DOJ attorney do not have the clearance to view. She engaged in gross negligence by setting up the server, running it the first three months without even basic encryption and then the remaining of her term outside the control and security of the government cyber-security protections and then the violations of the federal records act.

Those of us keeping up with the developments and evidence of which we already know.

What gets her off the hook? The claims the emails were not marked classified, irrelevant to the crime, claims that she didn't know it was classified, irrelevant to the crime.

So she really is that stupid that she would confuse troop deployments with her grocery list. And you are still going to vote for her?

Then she should never be placed in a position of handling classified information again.

She wouldn't have to had she been using a proper email address over a secured server and intent is irrelevent to the crime. It's called GROSS NEGLIGENCE.

The FBI does CRIMINAL investigations, if no crime is assumed to be involved they don't investigate, criminal immunity has been granted by a federal judge, judges don't grant immunity just for the fun of it.

What do you think the FBI is doing here? And let's not forget the investigation has grown into selling influence through the Clinton Foundation, criminal.

It's a legal process that is very well defined especially at the highest levels for which she was trained and signed a form acknowledging that training and her obligation to INSURE that the classified information which she would ROUTINELY be dealing with would be dealt with with absolute care and measures to protect it. Now explain how she fulfilled those obligations by setting up a shadow server outside the oversight of the government security agencies and outside the SCI system using a non-SCI server in a non-SCIF facility on non-government devices without the proper protections and did so IN SPITE of repeated warnings by those experts not to do it.

And then of course the fact that she disobeyed a direct Presidential order to ONLY use government servers and email address for official business and in spite of HER OWN order to ALL persons in the State Department to ONLY use government email addresses through the government system.
That's why agencies battle each other over what specific criteria makes a document classified. You have yet to respond to this point.

She took on that obligation when she rejected the use of the government system and put in her private shadow system.

What are you denying here

You're now trying to say a Secretary of State did not know she would be dealing with classified information or something? And let's not forget her first statement that there was NO classified information on her server and she KNOWS what is classified information. And no none of that matters a twit, the crime is complete when she allowed classified information to be transmitted and stored on her private non-secured, non-SCI server.

It hinges on what she did and yes operating on her private shadow server the first three months without even basic encryption put information in jeopardy. Ever email containing classified information that was not sent over a SCI server from SCI secrured equipment put the information in jeopardy. Copying ALL her emails onto a drive and giving it to an IT company without proper clearance put that information in jeopardy. Requesting a aid to remove classified headers off a document and then send it to her over a non-secured FAX machine put information in jeopardy. REFUSING at the urging on the intellegence agencies to use ONLY the proper equipment and protocals put that information in jeopardy. Everytime she traveled overseas and used her private unsecured BlackBerry to receive and transmit classified information put that information in jeopardy.

So if it is impossible to prove why do we even have such secured systems and protocals and we can just let everyone in government get a Yahoo or Gmail address and send and recieve our most highly classified information through them. I mean if it doesn't put the information in jeopardy and you can't prove the person knew it was classified information and they have no intent................then let's just shut down our security systems.

 

I've already cited to you the statement of the former head litigator of the National Archives which says different. And let's not forget when first asked the State Department said there were NO emails form Hillary, they had no copies of them, they didn't exist. They had to pulled tooth and nail out of Clinton and then the State Department. Those were government property, the electronic files were government property and she with held them and in fact never turned over the electronic data but printed them out.

 

Then stop debating the issue and telling those of us who DO look at the evidence and DO follow the investigation don't know what we are talking about. That you simply wish to ignore what we know already does not put you in a position to debate it with others and claim they don't know of what they speak.

But to be clear with what we know now, her willful and purposeful decision to avoid any oversight by setting up her shadow server and then the resulting highly classified information being stored and transmitted over that unsecured server, her head IT guy having to plead the 5th and then cop a criminal immunity doesn't disqualify her from ever again handling our most classified information whether or not she gets charged with a crime. What you and others are saying that even after the very explicit training and warnings about securing the highly classified information in which she would be dealing she was too stupid to recognize it and protect it yet she should be elected President.

 

This is actually what the National Archives said in 2009...

"[a]gencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system.

As long as one of the email address is a .gov address, it will be preserved as per this regulation. There was too much loose wording for this to hold up in court. There would have to be some serious content that any reasonable Secretary of State would know is classified information. If there's some grey area behind whether or not it should be classified, nothing will happen to her. But then again, I'm speaking to the person that thinks every made up scandal will result in some big criminal ending. Lol, like when you went on and on about Obama getting indicted for Benghazi. You are a conspiracy dude who's always wrong. I focus on the real world.

 

If you knew English, this wouldn't have occurred. No one talks about location when referring to server security unless they're talking about the physical server. That's your bad and now you're desperately repeating yourself like a child trying to save face as if people don't realize you made a mistake and just trying to cover it up. And yes, protecting the physical server is actually a security issue. So its location and protection is important.

 

During her tenure as Secretary of State, Hillary exclusively used her home brewed email server for all emails, official and private - we already know that much, and this is not a matter of dispute.

Now, what follows is that in four years as a SoS, she never sent a single classified email, or email she thought could contain classified information.

WTF did she do for these four years being SoS?

 

Use the phone and talk to people. They also have their own protected communication system within the State Department for highly classified materials. The 30,000+ emails they posted are pretty boring. I tried to read some but they are not interesting at all. Just normal, tedious, work related stuff.

 

Yes yes, of course. But she did not spent all of even greater part of her work-time at the State Department - she's traveled all over the world many times over. Did she ever sent something that she thought may be classified? And also follows - How The (*)(*)(*)(*) all these classified and top secret e-mails ended up on her home brewed email server if she has never sent one (outside of State Department facilities)?

 

She doesn't travel coach on Alaska Air. Her communication devices work just the same while travelling than when not. Per her words, she handled business through her team, on the phone, and in person. Most of her emails are just meeting setups or questions about setting up meetings. They are really really boring.

 

What We do knew s that so far no evdence of highly classified information being stored on her computer has been provded.

 

Hillary said, all of her emails went thru her home brewed email server EXCLUSIVELY. Your attempts at apologizing for Hillary are just that.

- - - Updated - - -

What's all this business about IG needing to obtain higher security clearance just to look at some of the emails, found on Hillary's home brewed email server?

 

It won't matter, they don't prosecute for that unless they intentionally gave access to classified data to someone who isn't supposed to have it.

 

All of her work related and personal emails. That doesn't mean they don't have different means of communication for classified material. Even if she used her .gov address, these messages shouldn't have been on them if they are deemed classified. They are probably very minor. She will get off this with nothing more than, don't do that again type punishment.

Source?

 

And she did not follow those procedures nor the law as I have already cited from the former head litigator of the national archives. AND you are assuming ALL her official emails were sent to officials in OUR government. And do supply a link if you are going to cite something.

"
Specialists interviewed by The Post said her practices fell short of what laws and regulations mandated. Some of those obligations were spelled out a few months before Clinton took office in National Archives and Records Administration Bulletin 2008-05, which said every email system was supposed to “permit easy and timely retrieval” of the records.

The secretary of state’s work emails are supposed to be preserved permanently. In addition, rules also mandated that permanent records are to be sent to the department’s Records Service Center “at the end of the Secretary’s tenure or sooner if necessary” for safekeeping.

Under Title 18, Section 2071, it is a misdemeanor to take federal records without authorization, something that is sometimes referred to as the “alienation” of records. The law is rarely enforced, but a conviction can carry a fine or imprisonment.

Jason R. Baron, a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration, told the Senate Judiciary Committee last year he believed that Clinton’s server ran afoul of the rules. In a memo to the committee, Baron wrote that “the setting up of and maintaining a private email network as the sole means to conduct official business by email, coupled with the failure to timely return email records into government custody, amounts to actions plainly inconsistent with the federal recordkeeping laws.”

http://www.politicalforum.com/curren...took-root.html

"While Clinton may have technical arguments for why she complied with each of these and the other rules that have been discussed in the news, the argument that Clinton complied with the letter and spirit of the law is unsustainable," said Douglas Cox, a law professor at City University of New York who studies records preservation.
It would have been a violation of the NARA's rules in the Code of Federal Regulations for Clinton to use personal email exclusively, Metcalfe said. The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.

"Anyone at NARA would have said you can’t use a personal email account for all of your official business," said Metcalfe, who held his position in part during former President Bill Clinton’s administration.

Had Clinton used a [MENTION=347]STA[/MENTION]te.gov email address, every email sent and received would have been archived in the State Department system. Clinton, who served from 2009 to 2013, has argued that her emails were archived in the system because she was in the habit of sending them to other government employees with .gov email addresses.

However, experts said this defense is insufficient. Under this practice, the State Department records management system would have captured emails from Clinton to a State Department employee, but it would not necessarily capture emails from Clinton to government employees in other departments or non-government employees, said John Wonderlich, policy director for the Sunlight Foundation, which advocates for government transparency.

Cox said the fact that Clinton’s staff -- rather than a State Department federal records officer -- chose which emails to destroy is "honestly breathtaking." Her private employees don’t have the authority to decide what does or doesn’t count as a federal record. Further, when she was making these choices, she was acting as a private citizen, not a government employee.

However, in 2005 (before Clinton took office), a State Department manual said information that is "sensitive but unclassified" -- a broad category that covers anything from meeting schedules, to visa applications, to ordinary emails to other federal agencies -- should be emailed through servers authorized by the department.

As we found in a prior fact-check, Clinton’s office sent a memo in 2011 to State Department staff that said they should not use personal email accounts for department business. The memo went to diplomatic and consular staff worldwide in response to a warning from Google that hackers had targeted the Gmail addresses of government workers. While the memo encouraged staffers to avoid using personal email accounts, it fell short of prohibiting their use.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...lary-clintons-email-did-she-follow-all-rules/

And then that pesky Presidential directive

"Former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton appears to have operated in violation of what the White House said Tuesday was “very specific guidance” that members of the Obama administration use government e-mail accounts to carry out official business.

Clinton did not have a government account at the State Department but instead used her personal e-mail account. That was permissible only if all e-mails relating to government business were turned over and archived by the State Department, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said at his daily briefing.

“Very specific guidance has been given to agencies all across the government, which is specifically that employees in the Obama administration should use their official e-mail accounts when they’re conducting official government business,” Earnest said. “However, when there are situations where personal e-mail accounts are used, it is important for those records to be preserved, consistent with the Federal Records Act.”"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...4d7938-c1b9-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html

SHE was responsible for HER record archiving not someone else and the President nor the State Department allowed employees to send and receive emails on anything other than government email systems. You are still spouting already discounted excuses.

 

Have it your way.

 

you must be joking?

 

When you say something and someone asks for a source... just provide it. Not that big of a deal.

 

But great grandpa Jedadiah, remember when I explained to you about holding the remote control in the right direction, this is just like that. Servers that are placed in areas that can be easily hacked are considered insecure locations. There is no need to protect the physical server when a 15yr old can simply hack it from his bedroom because Hitlary placed it in an area where it is no longer protected.
Face it gramps, Hitlary put national security at risk and no amount of pathetic internet forum posts you can type will ever change that fact. Now simmer down, turn the remote control so the letters are right side up, put wheel of fortune on and Ill bring your melba toast and sanka in in just a few minutes. Ill show you what a cell phone is next.

 

* been discussed for ages, but of course.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...-needed-special-permission-to-review-n2107168

The 'SAP' intelligence on her server was so secret that the man whose job it is to oversee America's intelligence community had to be granted special permission to review a sworn declaration summary about its contents. As Fox's report noted yesterday, it is inconceivable that Hillary Clinton -- who signed a binding nondisclosure agreement acknowledging her duty to protect classified material, both marked and unmarked -- would not have instantly recognized the information in question as extraordinarily sensitive.

 

You're just making stuff up now. Location has nothing to do with the security of a server or someones ability to hack it. Just admit you used the wrong word and your English isn't your first language. And yes, the security of the physical server is important. So it's not that big of a deal if you made a mistake. Man up. Don't be a conservative.

 

That has nothing to do with Hillary but how the government handles information. They don't want anyone reading her emails.

 

Granpa, Ive tries to explain how the internet works but I think its beyond you. More sanka? Hows about a good big band record on the talking machine?