German investigation on MH-17 concludes plane shot down by Russian terrorists.

The thing is that it is impossible to shoot down a plane like that accidentally. It is too high and too fast. Buk is made to fight with the fighters, tactical bombers etc. It is good against manevarable aims. But to shoot down a fast plane you need not only th buk but the radars. And having the radars means that the guys who shot knew exactly that they are shooting at a civilian plane. Why? Look at th media all over the world which started a campaign against Putin as if (why as if) as long as it was prepared before the plan was shot...

The Ukrainian fascists were just the executors. The order came from the Department of State. The europeans needed to have some meat of their own in order not to pay that much attention to the blood and corpses of those who are still being killed at a remarkable and rebealing silence of the west... BTW it's not the first time. And I bet it's not the last time.

 

No. I don't think that the Russian government is directly involved.
Because if they are supplying the Donetsk fighters with vehicles and the crew from the Russian army then they may as well commit wholly and invade using the full might of their forces.

 

WOW. That is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE! The guys shouldn't even think that it is possible, right? They never lie!!!

 

Ok. I look forward to seeing it

 

Putin's Kremlin troll Army is strong today. Does he at least pay you guys? I hope so, you deserve better.

 

only your Kiselev knows the truth

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yes he does i posted information about it many times already ,

 

Do I have chance to answer that your job and the one's of litwin's typ neds to be cancelled and the money of taxpayers should no longer be wasted? I don't know if you are a throll. Litwin for sure is.

BTW US hasn't given any money to Ukraine. But it already sent a billion in order to fund another color revolution to replace him... If I wanted the money I would take those. But I don't want to lose my freedom and to turn into a well-fed slave. I'd better stay what I am.

 

That's the problem with Kremlin trolls, they never answer the question. They deflect. Oh well, enjoy the Russian slums and old cars!

 

All the questions were answered. If you want me to teach you to read I would charge you. 200 per hour.

 

Lol! Even if I gave you 200 dollars an hour, it still wouldn't help your 12,000 a year pay problem

 

It would depend on the missiles that the BUK carried as some are made for long range engagements.
From my understanding of the BUK system and it's variants it's is capable of operating without either the radar or command vehicles.

They may not of been able to recognise the different radar signatures.

Actually it's surprising how fast the news media responds to world events; whether they report them accurately is a varied and complicated issue.

Do you happen to have a copy of this order or some proof of it?

I'm unconvinced but if you have evidence to support that then feel free to share it.

Examples?

 

Lol. Simply hilarious.

 

Only trying to respond to your yarn, Sir!

 

i have a short question to you the last collaborators all fronts counter-offensive , would it be possible with out heavy (regular) devisions?

 

They are allowed to pick a few extra turnips to feed their family.

 

Right. But it's radar range is 30 km. If BUK is guarding somthing from the attacks from above it is just fine. But a liner with 1000 kmh speed would leave the crew no time for reaction. (even if the plane was comind right above it). It's not about the length. It is about the decision making. In theory it is possible but not in practice.
Once the radar is on the BUK is exposed to the attack from above. If it is not on then BUK needs a stationary radar which was at th disposal of only ukrainian army.

In theory possible. In practice if the crew is experinced enough to operate with buk launcher alone they cannot be as inexperienced.

Even an advertisment campaign for a deputy position in some local parliament needs at least some preparation. Do you think that the campaign in order to discredit Putin (remember how popular he was after Syria) needs less efforts and time?

Qui prodest? I don't see any others benefit from a planned shot down of a civilian plane.

Sorry. But I am not a british media. I don't lie. I have a supposition, which is logical enough. But I can't blame a person or tell the exact story of how it was shot down.

What is th evidence number one is the lie of the media. On such a delicate issue I would expect some reservedness. At least at the beginning. I would expect hesitations, demands for the investigation, interviews, different possibilities... What did I see? A planned information campaign



This is why the people died. Without them dying the story would be laughable.

 

If the objective of Russia is to move onto Kiev then realistically they would have to make full use of the Russian army.
In that scenario such an invasion would have to be done very quickly in maybe less than two weeks.

I can't see Ukraine being defeated by using small elements of Russian forces with the Donetsk fighters making up the bulk of the attacking force.
And professional soldiers would be needed in order to reach Kiev otherwise the losses would be simply too much.

 

agreed.

this is the most intelligent conclusion.

 

I read about this last night. It seems the German report is blaming East Ukraine militia.

I know most make the automatic leap that this means the rebels. I don't think so. I believe they are talking about some of these private militia units fighting against the rebels.

The report also states that they have evidence that Kiev falsified evidence about the incident. That right there ought to be a clue that the report is not blaming the rebels; instead it is blaming the pro-Kiev militia.

Until I read something more definite, I'm going with what I outlined above.

 

the rebels have no planes.

why would anyone fighting the rebels, shoot down a large plane?








......"false-flag attack" in 3...2...1.....

 

Is that height or radius?

Then it's possible that the crew might not have identified the target properly

Then it would be entirely possible that the radar and command unit were also captured with the launcher as well.

Were you a part of the Russian army and did you operate this system?

You're assuming that it was prepared in advance with the news media which I can't really see happening because the odds are that somebody within the press would have said something about that.

I wouldn't say that who benefited from MH-17 was enough to draw a conclusion. And as I said do you have proof of an order issued to the effect of the destruction of MH-17?

Never said that you did. And you mean theory don't you?

Nah. These are papers which use shock and alarm-ism in order to sell papers because they are private firms which are there to make money.
The content they issue can't be fabricated but they can word it in whatever they want.
I should also point out that the DM, mirror as well the Sun are notorious for their style of writing.

I think that people would be every concerned if a passenger plane was attacked by ground to air missiles.

 

the rebels shot it down, thinking it was a Ukrainian cargo plane

 

Hmmm! I wonder if the German investigators convinced the Germans?


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Germans, especially eastern Germans, know all about the evils of Soviet Communism.

they know what Putin is capable of.

 

I have said right from the start that the Malaysian plane was shot down by the criminal Governor Kolomoisky and the other criminal the Minister of the Interior Averkov. I said this because they were under suspicion for the burning alive and hacking of the protestors in Odessa as well as the atrocities in Mariupol. Also because Kolomoisky's bank owns Burisma Holdings, and according to Robert Parry of Consortium News, Burisma Holdings was the murky company throwing around millions to lobbyists in Washington to keep the blame on Vladimir Putin.

In addition Kolomoisky is the financier of Nazi militia such as Azov, Aidar, etc. which have committed major atrocities on prisoners and civilians. Vladimir Putin has an arrest warrant for him as well as for the Interior Minister for bombing civilians in Slaviansk and using white phosperous. The Spanish controller in Kiev said that the Interior Ministry knew immediately about the shoot down while the Ministry of Defense knew nothing.

If we look at Kolomoisky's past records, it's obvious he is capable of anything. He also owned airlines and had connections in the airport at Amsterdam as well as Kiev. As for a motive, at the time of the shoot down the separatist militia had taken control of the area and had trapped the Ukrainian army. I recall reading on a 'site' that they had given Poroshenko a forty eight hour ultimatum with certain demands.

The next day the site was very upset that the defeat of the Ukrainian army wasn't mentioned because of the shoot down of the airliner. The Ukrainian army did manage to free itself because of it. Since then I read a few time that the plane might have been shot down by some extremists in the Kiev government...no doubt Kolomoisky.

Another motive is that the land the plane landed on contained slate gas, and like Slaviansk it was leased by Burisma Holdings together with Noble Dutch Shell. This would explain as to why the Dutch government was so hesitant about presenting the truth about the shoot down.

This would also explain why the Ukrainian planes kept up the fighting in the area so that it was impossible for the investigators to do their job. By doing this, Ukraine was hoping that others would intervene and force the militia to leave, that way they could regain their valuable piece of property.

Burisma Holdings is now the payroll of many in Washington including Biden's son. In my mind it makes them as much criminals as the Ukrainian mafia they work for. Besides them, investments have been made by companies such as Shell, Exxon, and BP. There is a list of American companies that will also be used to develop Ukraine's gas and oil potential, so is it any wonder there is so much hatred towards Vladimir Putin and Russia by Washington and the EU.

The only ones that would have lost out on everything, would have been the Ukrainian people, since they are the ones who would have been stuck paying off the IMF loans.