Going Birther on Ted Cruz: I didn’t want to do it

No probably about it, he got his citizenship a natural way, through a parent.

 

Whether he was a citizen at birth is not the issue.

 

You mean through a vagina. Thats not what natural born means in natural born citizen. Even a baby born by C section is eligible if both its parents are citizens and its born here.

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Again the term citizen at birth was rejected in favor of natural born citizen. No one is denying he was born a US citizen.

 

Because you need none of them to determine natural law. If you are born here to parents who are citizens here there is no doubt you are naturally a US citizen. It takes no act of congress to make this so.

If it has to be defined by a statute then it means that person can not be an NBC.

 

Then why did they change the clause from citizen at birth to natural born citizen ? Yes congress can make anyone they choose a citizen for any reason however they do not have the power to make even 1 person an NBC any more than they can rewrite the laws of physics.

 

US code does not cover "natural born citizen". It covers "citizens at birth" and "naturalized citizenship". In other words, it covers everything Congress has jurisdiction over, which is every type of citizenship except the constitutional definition of "natural born citizen"; something Congress cannot delineate on its own because it is a Constitutional definition, which can only be changed by Constitutional Amendment.

"Natural born citizen" = Born on US soil to citizen parents. So simple, yet so elusive to those who don't think through the whole process.

 

I would like to believe that since I hate Cruz but I'm not convinced and you seem to be confused. You start out by correctly stating that the US code does not define NBC but then assert that NBC means born on US soil to US parents (Both citizens? I don't think so). Where does that come from.?

 

a natural born citizen simply means citizen at birth. Those are the only 2 types of US citizen that exist. a citizen at birth, or a naturalized citizen.

the constitution does not define natural born citizen. It is derived from English common law and natural born british subject. Read the ruling from US v Wong Kim Ark.

nope. this is settled law.

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all of this has been thoroughly refuted in numerous other moronic birther threads.

 

Spot on. That's why the US Code defines every type of citizenship except for "born on US soil to citizen parents", which of course is the most natural form of citizenship, and thus requires no Congressional statute; what was known as "natural born citizen" at the time the Constitution was ratified.

So simple, yet so elusive to those who don't look at the issue conceptually.

 

Has Trump filed suit against Cruz for proof of eligibility or was he just shooting off his mouth again?

 

No, that's not why. The 14A citizenship clause renders such a statutory provision unnecessary.

Then explain the Naturalization Act of 1790.

 

Jeb ! may disagree, but this zany GOP farce is the most fun you can have with your pants on!

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It was simply the first act of Congressionally defined citizenship. As of today, such statutes have evolved into what is now the US Code on matters regarding citizenship at birth, and naturalization. However, none of those statutes, then or now, were ever intended to define "natural born citizen", because it was self-evident from the beginning that anyone born on US soil to citizen parents was a citizen; a "natural born citizen".

 

The Republican Party is alive and well. It has a diverse group, and any of the six would make vastly better Presidents than what the dims have.

The dims have nothing but a lying, bankrupting, old socialist and a lying, corrupt, murdering woman in name only!

You can put the worth of Natty's opinion with a dollar, and you can still barely buy a cup of coffee!

 

Certainly one could dumb it down to that if one were determined to miss the point.

That is of no moment. The point is that the 1790 act conferred NBC status on people born abroad to one citizen parent.

 

If you have a built in bias, you would come to that false conclusion.

Two things are clear from the 1790 Act.

1. Natural born citizen required one to be born to "citizen parents", otherwise the 1790 Act would not have included the words "children of citizens of the United States", but would have used the children of "a citizen" parent born outside. Both parents had to be citizens, and the father had to be a resident of the US for a certain amount of time.
2. Natural born citizen required one to be born on US soil, otherwise they would not have created the 1790 act in the first place, so as to attempt to "naturalize" those born outside the US to citizen parents.

In spite of the confusing and misleading use of the word "natural born citizen" in the 1790 Act, it clear that they used the word "as" a natural born citizen, meaning being like one without actually being one. What they were doing was giving "citizen at birth status" to those born to citizen parents outside the US, but they were not changing the constitutional meaning of "natural born citizen", since they had no power to do so anyway without a Constitutional Amendment.

It should also be noted that the 1790 Act was superseded in 1795 and beyond by the Congressional Naturalization Acts which never again used the term "natural born citizen", and eventually evolved into the two forms of citizenship known today as "citizen at birth" and "naturalized citizen"; neither of which carry the status of the Constitutional definition of "natural born citizen"; born US soil to citizen parents.

 

Maybe in your mind. Once more they changed it from citizen at birth to NBC. They are not the same. An NBC is always a citizen at birth however simply being a citizen at birth does not make one an NBC. They become citizens at birth by statute not natural law.

 

What is the third type of US citizenship?

 

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You can not be a naturalized NBC.

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The 1795 one removed that mistake.

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Naturalized, Citizen at birth and NBC.

 

I believe that Rubio is definitely a natural born citizen.

For that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag Ted Cruz, however, I'm going to need to see his mom's papers to make sure she was a citizen at the time of his birth.

 

With a lawsuit now filed in Illinois by a Carson supporter - and given the same lawsuit can be filed in all or any of the other states - meaning this will be litigated and in the news for the rest of the Republican primary season - this is going to blow Cruz out of the water. There is NOTHING Cruz can do to get a fast and final decision as only the US Supreme Court can make a decision - and the case has to go thru THREE layers of state courts in every state it may be filed in and THEN TWO layers of federal courts - before reaching the US Supreme Court.

Until the US Supreme Court rules, there is NO certainty as to whether Cruz can be the Republican candidate or not. Debate it all you want, but it is not settled until the Supreme Court ULTIMATELY rules on it. Are Republicans willing to gamble Hillary Clinton becoming president on a Ted Cruz or nobody position, waiting for a Supreme Court ruling?

 

no, right here on these boards.

of course they are.

they mean the exact same thing. only 2 types of citizen in US law. citizen at birth, and naturalized. that's it. there is no mysterious 3rd type only you and a handful of morons knows about.

long ago established there is no such thing as natural law.

 

Cruz may be a natural born citizen but we will need to see:

His long form birth certificate
his short form birth certificate
a blood sample
a dna sample
affadavits from anyone he has ever met in Canada,
video of the actual birth
a full cia and fbi dossier on his parents
an evaluation of his hockey skills
any recordings of him saying the word "hoser"

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all of this will need to be reviewed by forensic experts. This process may take up to 8 years.

 

Just because you believe that does not make it so.

Then why did they change it?

Exactly in US law. NBCs are NBCs under natural law and pertain to every nation and person on earth. Government can not write natural law . Learn the difference between natural and positive law.

Again that is only true in your mind. Its the basis for the founding of the US. That the king violated our natural rights under natural law gave us the natural right to rebel.

 

What is the third type of US citizenship, Penrod?