Going Birther on Ted Cruz: I didn’t want to do it

We need none of those. all the evidence points to him being a dual citizen and hence not an NBC. You cant be an NBC of two nations at the same time. He was a citizen at birth of both however because of positive laws written by both nations. If he had been born on Canada of 2 Canadian citizens there would be no doubt he was a Canadian NBC. That is natural law. There is no doubt.

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Once more, Naturalized, citizen at birth(by statute) and finally NBC.

 

correct, but the fact I've done it makes it so.

no idea, ask them. maybe it sounded better? legally there is no difference.

nope, as there is no such thing as natural law.

there is no such thing as natural law.

learn that there is no such thing as natural law.

no, right here on these boards.

no, the constitution is. "natural law" is a political philosophy. there is no such thing as natural law.
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we rebelled because we didn't want to pay taxes.

 

A natural born citizen or natural citizen is someone who is considered a United States citizen from birth. Unlike naturalized citizens, these people do not need to apply for any of the rights of citizenship.

They are granted the right to vote at 18, along with all of the other rights and responsibilities associated with citizenship in the United States. In addition, they are permitted to run for the positions of president and vice president, while naturalized citizens are excluded from these roles in American government by law.

There are two different ways in which a natural born citizen can be created. By American law, all people born on American soil are considered citizens.

In addition, people who are born overseas to American parents are also classified this way.

I simply can't find a single, legal definition of this third type of US citizenship..

 

Actually many legal experts have look at this and most say that he is NBC. I think they will eventually rule that way but the court process will hurt him in the primary race.

 

and as I have repeatedly pointed out, we have had numerous dual citizen presidents.

once more, there are only 2 types of US citizen.......citizen at birth, and naturalized. That's it. There is no mysterious 3rd type that only you and a handful of morons know about.

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this will never get to a court. nobody has standing to bring suit, unless he is elected president.

 

NBC does not simply mean citizen at birth. You are made a citizen at birth by those statutes you keep quoting. This means you are not an NBC. You cant find it because its natural law. Its not in US law only in the constitution.

 

Most legal scholars disagree with you.

 

They are clearly wrong. This is so simple i cant see how you guys can even argue the point. The purpose of the NBC clause is to prevent any foreign influence or allegiance in our president. The only type of citizen that removes all doubt is NBC defined as a child of 2 US Parents on US soil as to any other types there will always be a question.

 

That's all it means.

The US only has one law, and that is constitutional law.

 

Yes and most scientists believe in global warming. Consensus does not make truth. Many legal scholars agree with me. There are already suits in a few states challenging Cruzs status.

 

this has never been the definition of NBC at any time in US history.

 

Which says you must be an NBC to run for president. Our constitution and government was made to protect our natural rights.

 

The vast majority do not. Believe what you like but you will lose this one if it even makes it to court

 

Because its natural. Evident on its face. Can you deny a person born of two US citizens on US soil is an NBC? I can certainly and have made a case that if you are born in Canada and a Canadian citizen you are not a US NBC. One is obvious to all the other needs a law to make it so.

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Only if they are intellectually bankrupt.

 

You are entitled to a opinion. But that's all it is. Every judge will rule him as NBC. Sorry

 

Same for you. I doubt every judge would be so stupid.

 

which cruz of course is.

there are no natural rights, only rights people agreed they should have. Rights are a purely human construct.

 

Believe whatever you like. Can you name any respectable legal scholar that shares your opinion?

 

There has never been a person more removed from being an NBC running for president then Cruz. He barely qualifies as a citizen and would not if congress had not declared him so by statute.

So then the only rights we have are those the government grants us.

 

no it isn't, as I have repeatedly demonstrated over and over and over and over again.

the 14th amendment clearly states they are.

which is directly refuted by title 8 of the US code, which says as long as 1 parent is a citizen you are an NBC.

it took a law to make citizens of those born on US soil, lol.

right, because the entire judiciary is ignorant, and only a handful of morons have a super secret version of the constitution that nobody else knows about, lol.

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well, considering he is a NBC, this is a really moronic statement.

nobody would be a citizen if not declared by statute or a legal framework. this is why your argument is so retarded.

the only rights we have are those we agree we have, and enshrined into law.

 

Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president
By Mary Brigid McManamon January 12

Mary Brigid McManamon is a constitutional law professor at Widener University’s Delaware Law School.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html



Legal Scholars Differ on Ted Cruz as ‘Natural Born Citizen’

Read more at http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016/01/legal-scholars-differ-on-ted-cruz-as-natural-born-citizen/#i1zpyWvzlXSxZzKT.99

 

I see one person. Hardly a wide consensus of legal opinion. LOL

 

Your stuck with a closed mind. Once a state is established there no doubt that anyone born there of citizens is also a citizen. One follows the other with no law. There is no law for instance stating that the child of 2 US parents and that is born here is a US citizen because its self evident.

 

Here is some info from the guy who taught both Obama and Cruz at Harvard. He is a raging liberal. The thing that gets me most is the hypocrisy of Cruz. He surely knows he is not an NBC

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/11/laurence-tribe-ted-cruz-donald-trump-citizen-president
I am a strict originalist.

 

Penrod, you don't have your JD, do you?