Heeding Bannon's Call, Election Deniers Organize to Seize Control of GOP

There are no common goals. Each tribe fights to be on top. Maybe they will form alliances temporarily but it is a war of all against all. We have not become that childish; we always were. It has just become more obvious through "diversity."

The Chinese are going to rule the world because they suppress diversity.

 

Bingo.

Their next port of call is a hostile take over of all nations that are majority han chinese descendants to expand their labor.

 

Good O;' Propooplicka disgorging more effluvia to keep the Soros dollars flowing in.

 

That's FUNNY. It's exactly what you are doing, in this uber-hypocritical post. Let's go through it, to see if we can find your, "good faith," argument, shall we?

This is a false charge (and more, hilarious hypocrisy) on your part. I have thrown no fits; I have put forth logical arguments. This will soon be shown to be a supplementary hypocrisy of yours; that is, your post comes much closer to being legitimately called a, "fit," than mine. The signs of which are: your contradicting yourself; repeating the same claims, without providing proof or supporting argument; and trying to attack me, with baseless allegations, as opposed to addressing the points of my argument, which you all but ignore. Watch now-- here it all comes:

Was that a, "good faith argument?" Was it based on fact? Does it have anything, whatsoever, to do with the issue that is up for debate, in this thread?

<Answers: No. No. And no.>

Provides argument from you? No.
Flings gratuitous insults in my direction, which also advance no counter-argument from you? Yes.

Good faith argument? Any argument, whatsoever?

Any argumentative substance here? No, but there is a repetition of the idea that you are, supposedly, offering no opinion, of your own.

It's not debated by me, or by anyone, that, "Republicans voted for Trump because they liked him." So this statement is meaningless. The relevant point is that those who voted for Trump (& so, "liked," him, I suppose), were an insufficient number to deliver him the electoral majority.

You still haven't shown my throwing a fit. But you are repeating your unsupported, and baseless attempt to belittle ME.

Again, haven't we already heard this from you? Does it, in any way, engage my argument? So then it is, essentially, just ranting, isn't it?

And we hear you with the, "conspiracy theory," allegation twice more, still without explanation or defense of your lodging this charge.

As far as my concern, based on the OP article-- which is based wholely on the words of Republicans-- all you do is state that there is no, "uniformity," of thought, though I had used that word in a reply to your post, claiming that Republicans who didn't agree with Trump, were not real Republicans. In other words, you are only contradicting yourself.

Yes, MY strawman.
We can add one more to your post's hypocrisy count. And is this, now, your "good faith," argument?-- because I still haven't seen it.

Oh, now I despise democracy. That's news to me. I never claimed that Trump was not the legitimate president from 2017- 2021. Who is it, again, who contests that Biden is now the legitimate president? Oh, yes, it is the group of Republicans who are the subject of this thread.

But I certainly can't contradict your argument, that it is me, who hates democracy-- because you make no argument, justifying this additional, baseless charge from you. Is this the sign of a logical argument, or childish throwing of a fit?

And, oh yeah, Trump's the greatest of all time! Which has any relevance, why? But you're definitely not expressing your opinion. Just the facts.

And that is your closing argument: convicting me of two things that you made up, & never even attempted to justify, with argument. And the part about despising democracy, "when it doesn't go my way," is precisely the motivation for this grass roots Republican movement-- read the OP's article! So you get one last hypocrisy-point, on your way out the door.

You made, however, no argument at all-- good faith, or otherwise-- as I just showed. All you did, basically (in your own words), was stage a fit.

 

All tribes are artificial constructs. All races are artificial constructs. All nations are artificial constructs. All we are is human, and all a human is is a vehicle for a spirit, a fragment of creation that is part of the whole that all creation belongs to. the only differences between any of us are the silly little differences we create.

 

This is not one more thread about why Trump lost, though I do appreciate your acknowledging the fact, even along with excuses, because that is more than some, here, are willing to do, in evidence of their being rational conversants. This thread is about those who are certain that the reason Trump lost, was completely attributable to Democratic election fraud-- although this has yet to be proven, to the slightest degree. This group feels that, based only on their unsubstantiated belief in this fraud, Republican officials, at every level, should have done anything necessary, to have handed the presidency to Trump. It is their goal, if similar circumstances should arise in 2024, that this rejection of the result of the vote, will be what happens.

 

You mean to tell me there are racial differences? Then why are there so many white nba players and white world class sprinters??? Oh wait, there aren't... How could that be???

 

So, is your point, vis a vis this thread, that what the election-denier movement, recently animating the grass roots Republican infrastructure (following Steve Bannon's suggestion), is trying to do-- eliminate all resistance, w/in Republican ranks, to handing Donald Trump our Presidency (& whatever other powers he wants), regardless of the voting results, in 2024-- is a GOOD thing?

 

That’s all false, so bleh, you’re not serious in discussing it.

 

I'm not the one pretending there's a conspiracy of trump supporters out to get me that are controlled like some sort of cult.

People typically make those claims because they don't want to accept something about what makes such a person so popular. That's why people say that Elon musk is a devil worshiper and all these other nonsense claims.

though I admit it was hyperbolic that was on purpose it's not unfactual. You are having an emotional crisis.

if you're just going to make up your own answers why would you even post here you can just do that by yourself you can pretend you're talking to whatever you want and answer for them.

reality is my argument. Donald Trump was the most popular Republican politician in history.

Whether you believe that's because he was brainwashing people or they worshiped him as a god that's of no consequence and it's a bad faith argument because you can't prove any of that.



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what does him losing to another party have to do with what's going on inside the party? Democrats aren't Republicans so what difference do they make to the so-called Purge on the Republicans that you think is happening?

well when you think that people are in like a religion and giving up their free thought just to oppose you I say conspiracy theory because I can't say what that really is.

this straw man is not my argument you are never going to get me to accept that this was my argument you are mischaracterizing it so that it's easier for you to attack.

it's good of you to claim it that's a mature thing and a respectable thing so thank you.

there was and still is a group of Democrats that believed Trump wasn't the real president these people will probably always exist no matter who's elected.

If you want to argue with them about it go find them I won't be arguing for them.

 

It's our nature to be tribal. That's who we are as a species. That's who we will always be.

Sorry

 

You didn't specify, as usual.

So, that seemed to be saying that whatever comes out of Trump's mouth, is automatically the Republican party-line. But you also go beyond that, in suggesting that those who don't tote that Trump-Party line, "don't represent the party." You do not present your idea with the clarity that you, yourself, are asking me for, about your own claim--"Disagree with (Trump) about what?"

That you would wonder, is not odd; this is the sort of thing one would believe anyone presenting a competent argument, would have made clear. I had wondered, myself, if I could get something more definitive, from you; so I replied:

But even your second reply was non-specific:

Again-- though, the most reasonably implied meaning, would appear to be that absolute fidelity to Trump, is your conception of the new Republican standard-- you leave ambiguous, your assertion.

You are free, of course, to remove any need for speculation, by stating your opinion, less obscurely, any time you wish.

 

The maturity and democratic system decides who represents the party the majority voted on Donald Trump so he represents the party. This includes the minority that didn't want Trump to represent it because they identify with him and the party that voted with him.

It's like I identify with the Americans that means My President is Joe Biden even though I didn't vote for him and don't think he's doing well as president he still represents the country.

That's what democracy is.

Don't understand what your issue is with this.

 

It is what it is. I make no judgements.

I will observe, however, that increasing diversity will result in an authoritarian or totalitarian government. My money is on a totalitarianism of the left. Here is an interesting article on the nascent left totalitarianism.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/10/new-puritans-mob-justice-canceled/619818/

 

You think the Chinese? I'm thinking the islamists they don't just have the impetus to dominate they also have a morality. China's morality is the state which is not really a morality. Islamists base their reality on a religious view. This helped them conquer the world once before.

 

No, your claim here, that I am, "pretending," anything, is a lie; if it is not, please quote my pretense.

Your claim that I say they are, "out to get me," is a lie; if it is not, please quote my saying so.

All my "claims," are reiterations of what the very real-- not pretend-- movement of Republican election-deniers, are saying. Did you not bother to read the OP's linked article? Or even the parts of it that I SNIPPed? And so you are using your own, self-enforced ignorance of my factual basis, to accuse me of having no factual basis?

OK, that shows the value of your remarks. And the worthiness of your character, to be engaged with in a sincere discussion. To dispel the trashy cloud that, henceforth, will be attached to your further, "contributions," you will need to show
A) that your allegations, above, were not garbage, with supporting quotes, or

B) that your character is not garbage, by offering a sincere apology, for your lies.

Otherwise, your empty contentions offer little cause for reply.

 

As this reply of yours, preceded the last one, I'll give another response:

I HAVE no issue with this. Nor can I, as a reasonable person, conceive of what would give anyone such a misguided notion, that I did. It has nothing to do with this thread.

You, of course, provided no explanation of your ridiculous conclusion, or evidentiary quotes, from me. Your reply was actually to my answering your question, about your own words; which I showed that you have seemed to have purposely left a little vague. I ended that post by pointing out that you were free to clarify your meaning, for anyone who might have wondered about it (including yourself). But you did not bother to do that. Instead, you are throwing out another utterly bogus accusation, about me.

Well, I guess if you don't have the brains to debate, you have to rely on sleazeball tactics.

 

they are canceling conservatism, Trumpism is the new Republican Party... "Q"

 

Its that way because people believe it is that way. Change your beliefs and change reality. If we know the problem exists, we can change it. You have to willfully perpetuate it for it to continue if you have recognized the problem.

 

Hahaha. Somebody failed Realism.

 

Sorry, I don't settle for the same old crap that some believed they are mired in. I still have faith in humanity. We are all evolving souls, and the evolution is paying off, but it is a slow painful process. We are getting there, but there is growing pains. You can choose to believe the worst about humanity if you choose.

 

It's that way because it just is that way. Since the very beginning of humanity.

I'm sorry if those goes against some fetish to see a utopia of harmony. But we will divide up on race, success, where we live, religion...you name it. And incase you haven't noticed, as the racial groups become more evened out, the racial tensions increase.

So. You know... Enjoy that.

 

Lol, it is nowhere near as bad now as it was in previous centuries. Humankind has made incredible gains in tolerance and cooperation across ridiculous old boundaries of things like race and ethnicity. And that distresses many, especially those in power. Keeping humanity divided is how they are able to maintain their power, while the simpleminded fall for their idiotic tricks. All race is is a phenotype, the body's adaptation to the environment it finds itself in. Don't be the simpleminded idiot dancing to the tunes the politicians and other elites are playing to keep themselves in power. Their time is coming to an end. But the transition will be painful. Growing pains always are.

 

Things have regressed in the last decade. They have not progressed. I dunno what country you are talking about

 

We are seeing the final death of intolerance. It may take a decade, or maybe a few more lifetimes, but it is on its way out. Slavery is gone, legally anyway. We recognize mistakes we made with intolerance in the past. We don't raid other lands to capture slaves. We don't stone people for being gay. We don't slaughter cities for having the wrong religion.

Sure, things have gotten worse in the last decade. It's desperation on the part of those who profit from division. That are pulling out every trick they can think of to keep us divided, at eachother throats over petty things like race, nationality, etc. That desperation is what is making things so bad at this point in time. The vast majority don't give a damn what color your skin is, what god you worship, who you love, or where you happen to have been born. Only the willfully ignorant and/or those who profit from division cling desperately to old ideas that bring nothing but pain, hatred, and suffering for all involved. Don't be part of that group.