Heeding Bannon's Call, Election Deniers Organize to Seize Control of GOP

Lol. Well I hate to break it too ya fella. Hundreds of thousands of years of tribal warring and behaviour. It's not ending anytime soon.

I wish I could be there to see the disappointment on your face once reality sinks in.

"it's just around the corner"!!

No.. it really isn't.

 

lol, well, you have fun going on hating those from other places or with different color skin than you. Or maybe those with different political beliefs. It's hilarious listening to the left and right both pointing at eachother saying "these guys want to take ______ away from you!". The politicians are slapping eachother on the back, laughing and pointing at the plebes as they choke eachother out. You're playing right into their hands. I don't know if you are on the left or the right. Both are just 2 sides of the same coin, and equally dumb. Have fun with that!

 

Even better. Trumpers constantly forget that they are in fact a minority of a minority. THEY may be all for throwing out everyone who doesn't kiss Johnny's JJuge posterior with a resounding enough but that will NOT get them the election. The old adage is that partys go to the fringes to attract the nutbars to win the primary but then go back to the center to win the general. Trumpers go to the fringes and then double down.

This is great. The Trumpers will be pulling all kinds of Q-Anon crapola for almost a solid year Nobody who is not a total Trumper will even think of actually voting for him once the posters with bloody babies come out.

 

There has to be some good candidates somewhere. Trump was terrible. Biden, just as bad, if not worse. The two parties are doing their damnedest to destroy us.

 

So you're butthurt? I'm not interested.

 

Not interested in hearing you complain.

 

Security is a defense mechanism that preserves life. Without it humans would be extinct as a species. Whether it be individual, family, neighborhood all the way up.

 

I have no problem with security. I served 20 years in the Army and Marines as an infantryman, and have an assortment of firearms. That doesn't remotely impact how I view my fellow human beings.

 

You clearly aren't connecting the dots. YOU may have a "we are the world" outlook, but when it comes to communities and nations for that matter, people want unity and security. Only in the modern West that has been poisoned with the idea of utopian multiculturalism have these basic tenets of statehood been bastardized. China in particular is tickled pink by what the West has done to itself.

 

You can certainly have security and multiculturalism at the same time. Which cultures in particular do you despise? Afghanis? Mexicans?

 

I despise none. People create cultures. I prefer traditional Western culture above all others. History agrees.

 

What is it you prefer about them? I have spent a lot of time with eastern cultures, and I really don’t see much of a difference between western and eastern cultures. They love their families, they work har to support them, some are religious, some not so much. Most were quite hospitable, though a few were less so. I find the big differences are always at the government level. People themselves are pretty much the same and want the same things everywhere. Politicians and elites **** the world up.

 

I don't hate on anyone fella. I'm just smart enough to understand and respect human nature. It's not like world peace is suddenly around the corner here...

 

The Republicans have turned against Democracy. It has given us the most powerful, prosperous and pleasant nation that has ever existed and now they are saying it doesn't work. What doesn't work is the Republican leadership who want to be rulers instead of managers and basically a nobility instead of a Republic

 

Only in the past 400 years, Before that the most successful culture by far was the Chinese. The vast majority of civilized history is basically the story of the Chinese and some outliers. With exceptions, Europe is generally a somewhat cut off and often downright barbarous backwater until 1600

Something like 3 out of every 4 people on the face of the Earth doesnt know a lot about China, The 4th one lives there.

You prefer Western culture because you were born and raised in it and there's nothing wrong about that but the Chinese feel just the same and history backs them, not you.

 

You know who I like? Our own MD governor Hogan. He's a Republican yes, but he's a reasonable man, not a ****ing wannabe tyrant or nuts or both. There's also Mitt Romney

Btu the one I really want to see get it would be Nancy Pelosi. We need an experienced woman to whip us back into shape.

 

I don't think so, Not with the Nazi reboot we are seeing around the world.

OTOH maybe that's blowback against the liberal revolution. A vicious beast is always most dangerous whens it's dying. I hope so, we had enough problems with crazy tyrants this century just gone to last a few millenia

 

I don't think you have your facts straight. For one thing, you say 1 out of 4 people live in China, which is double the actual number (1 billion out of 8 billion, roughly). You can say 1 out of 4, if you consider India as part of China (which, of course, it is not). That might add weight to your, "most successful," argument, as well.

You really need define what you mean by successful. Are you limiting it to population, that is, producing offspring? Because you leave out, inexplicably, some very successful peoples, at their particular times, like the Romans, the Greeks, the Carthaginians, the Egyptians, the Persians, the Hittites, the Babylonians/Ninevehites, the Sumerians, Mesopotamians, Mayans, Incas, and so forth. Truly, the most successful have been the INDO-EUROPEANS, from the Steppes of Central Asia, who migrated in wave after wave, conquering and seeding these other cultures (Persians, Indians, Greeks, Germanic Tribes). Just look at all those, in the modern world, who speak Indo-European languages, and it is hard to see how Chinese-speakers measure up.

But none of this has anything to do with this thread, as far as I can tell.

 

Yes, from what I've seen, Governor Hogan seems like a shining example of what a Republican could be, but who is ever more of a rarity, in national politics. I wouldn't vote for Romney, as President, but he compares well to other Republicans in Congress. There are several others (Kinzinger, etc.).

And I have much respect & admiration, for Speaker Pelosi, as well.

But this is all aside from the new turn that the Republican Party has taken, which is the inspiration of this thread. Any opinions on that, other than thinking it will drive away moderate voters? I'm with you on that one, too. But if there are more of this extremist type, in places of power, by 2024, will we have a Constitutional crisis on our hands, when they follow the Trumpean orders, which others balked at, last year?

 

Trump lost because he is the only president on record who never had majority support during his term.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

Trump lost because judges appointed by Republicans had the integrity to acknowledge that there was virtually no evidence of election fraud, and what little fraud there was was as likely to be in Trump's favor as against him.

Trump lost because he is an ignorant, vulgar, low class bounder. If Trump is as rich as he claims to be, and I doubt it, he demonstrates that money cannot buy class.

 

Trump and the Trumpists are going to shoot their bolt in 2022 and they won't even be a credible factor in 2024. The American electorate are not REALLY crazy, though they can sometimes seem to be.
Or not. It's possible they will survive to siphon off votes from whomever the Republican Party ends up running. It that does turn out to be Trump I pity the fools
What I really want to see happen is that Trump is arrested before the end of this year

 

So, we had four years of the left claiming Trump colluded with Russia on the 2016 election, without even one piece of proof that anything Russia did changed or influenced even one vote. Not one. In fact, the Mueller investigation showed that there was no Trump/Russia collusion. And yet, without evidence, the left screamed foul over the 2016 election results.

 

So you are predicting a Republican Party split, after the midterms? That would be quite a turnaround but, if they got sufficiently creamed, it would be a very believable prediction. At the moment, though, the Trumpists control the main Republican Party; we have already heard talk from small group of more traditional Republicans, threatening to walk out on their Party-- no one much seemed to care. Do you think this smaller, re-booted Republican party, going by a new name, comes out for 2022? I would think, at this point, any who wanted to run but not be part of the Trump Party, would run as an Independent, or under some other minor party's banner (any Libertarians who haven't turned Trumpophiles?).

While I also think Dems will do better than one would, historically, assume they would, I don't know if it will be enough of a massacre, to break the spell. Too much time, still, till then, to guess what will be at the top of peoples' minds. But this Texas abortion law will help move the needle in the right direction.

I don't think a Trump indictment, and conviction, can be counted on, at present (though I'm not ruling it out). Which investigation do you expect is more likely to lead to this: the NY tax case, or Congress's Committee on January 6th (or over some other offense?)?

If it happened as you predict, it would be interesting to watch Republicans who'd gone far out on the Trumpean limb, try to slide their way back to calling themselves, "Conservatives." But one thing we should all know, by now, is that no lie is too big for many of that caucus, to try selling.

 

I agree. None of the potential investigations you have listed will likely lead to something that will link DIRECTLY to Trump and criminality unless there are tapes or video conversations. The best way to get Trump directly is for "obstruction of justice" in the Mueller investigation. It's clearly laid out on multiple occasions and is highly prosecutable.

Where there is a will, there is a way. There does not seem to be a will to hold him accountable. Politics is the limiting calculus.

 

The bolded part is the most important thing here. If the pubs lose big time in 2022 (and I think they will ) they may at last see the writing on the wall and try to survive. Or the Trumpers may decide that voting itself is now fraudulent and openly turn against the entire principle of democratic government itself. 2024 may become a sort of low level civil war if that happens since I think the Republican Party actually did that a long time ago.