How To Enact Comprehensive Immigration Reform

Just join the armed services for 3 years and you're an american. Must get an honorable discharge.
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But to implement any of those measures, in-depth background checks would have to be made on each and every migrant, and that just isn't possible.

 

there's no chance for immigration reform <Off-topic>

and Wall Street/The Shareholder Class love the downward pressure unrestrained immigration places on the most expensive component of most businesses, labor....artificially cheap labor means bigger profits which translates to bigger dividend checks.

it will be allowed to continue. until it isn't. which will be an ugly ugly day.

 

but you allow me to level criticisms at Wall Streeters and the Shareholder Classes. why didn't you just delete my entire comment?

not buying your bullshit.

 

Integration of communities is generational.

I have a niece and nephew whose Mother was originally from Puerto Rico. Their grandparents could hardly speak English, their mother is perfectly bilingual, and they are mostly bilingual emphasis on the English.

My nephew just got his doctorates degree and my niece is designing jewelry in Hawaii. Regardless of where anyone comes from, the need to integrate to succeed is always there. Generally in the American story within three generations groups become completely intergrated. Celebration of ethnic identity during certain days are observe just so your kids don't forget where there ancestors came from.

If someone has been here seven years and they've worked hard and lived good lives they should be able to apply for citizenship. Double up on the English classes in community education and get their kids integrated into the American way of life.

Where I work it's fairly international. Within seven miles there are Indian, Arab, Latino, Black and White Communities. There are Halal butchers, bodegas, Latino-American cafes, and McDonald's. But you go out Saturday night here and they're all cruising like people did 50 years ago.

All these kids from all over and they're snakebit with the American way. Something about this Country is a whole lot more than where you come from. We are a tribe that absorbs everyone.

 

Swiss citizenship is highly prized for a reason: they don't let just anyone in. You have to commit for a decade and assimilate into the culture. If you don't, they'll cancel the process.

If someone wants to come over and make a life for themselves, I don't have a problem with that. But in the interests of our nation, we need to keep immigration to a modest level unless we get rid of entitlements and greatly scale back government.

And to protect the composition of the nation. Immigration should benefit the nation, not necessarily the migrant.

 

That all looks really complicated...

I dunno if this provides any useable data, but heres what I think needs to be done.

-Close the border
-Everyone who is here and hasn't committed any crimes (exception for illigal immigration made) may stay. Citizenship granted with a 5 year probationary period
-Any noncitizen who has committed a felony, theft, assault or fraud, or does so during the 5 year probationary period, is deported an inelligible for re-entry.
-Being born on US soil no longer automatically grants citizenship. Now, you must have a legal guardian who is a citizen to automatically become a citizen.
-legal imigration should be streamlined for anyone with a US company willing to hire them and pledge to employ them for 5 years so long as they do not violate the law or company policy. Termination of employment may void citizenship probation depending on circumstances, however re-application to other companies may be permitted.

tldr: close borders, amnesty for everyone already here, no more anchor babies, dont come here unless you'll be working, break the law and ur out forever

 

Well we aren't Switzerland and if we tried being Switzerland we would destroy ourselves.

We lead the World not because we rule with an iron fist, but because we are the planet. We are every race, creed, and color coming together doing something the rest of the World can't, live in peace. And we do it every day.

Not only do we manage to do what the rest of the World finds impossible, we're constantly creating the future. Every ****ing day.

Other countries just look at what we do and they just can't believe it. We take knocks that would destroy other countries and just brush the dust off our shoulders. Fire storms, hurricanes, exploding mountains, tornados miles wide, floods, and droughts. Terrorism hell, our weather is constantly kicking our ass and we hardly notice.

We come together and build, thrive, invent, and excel. We take home the Gold Medals. The Nobels, and the literary prizes. We don't just bring home the bacon we invent all new bacon.

We don't do that by walling ourselves off. Something you may not know. The answer to all our problems could be with a child at the border. Don't forget Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian immigrant. Some runny nosed kid who wants to be an American might end up taking us to the stars.

 

I don't understand why you just want to go after the employers.

Why not anybody who leases an apartment to them or anybody who sublets an apartment to them? Any City that declares itself a sanctuary City should be charged a fine of $4,000 a day for every illegal immigrant they have been a sanctuary for. It should be retroactive and the find should be waived upon abandonment of sanctuary City status.

Anybody who registers a car for them should be prosecuted. Anybody who provides day care service for them should be prosecuted. Any business that allows them to stand outside and Panhandle should be fined $4,000 a day for every it illegal alien they have allowed to Panhandle in the parking lot in the fine should be forgiven upon policy change.

As far as illegal migrants who sneak into the Border as adults 16 years of age or older absolutely deported never to be allowed back again.

Children 15 and younger have the option of temporary status and full citizenship granted upon completion of four years service in the military.

Infant children whose parents snuck them have the option of being put up for adoption by an American couple. Parents deported and never allowed to return again. They can opt out of adoption.

People who overstay their visas should be deported upon finding out no actions should be taken against people who had rented to them registered cars for them and so forth. With the ability to reapply for a Visa in 3 years. Overstaying a second time never allowed back again.

Immigrants who immigrated legally and do their due diligence in keeping their status legal should they wish to become citizens I want them to become citizens.

If anything we should be fast-tracking them as a priority they want to be American they want to contribute and be part of the culture.

Does this seem harsh I don't think so it is a message then our laws will be respected and you can migrate legally and become a citizen if you choose to but if you break in and smuggle children here you should never be allowed to return.

 

For them, I would really need to take each applicant on a case-by-case basis.

We tried the H1B lottery system and it has been abused by employers. They're using that to lower the salaries of American applicant by flooding the labor market.

I really don't know enough about the numbers of people claiming asylum, but one thing I do know is that we're not the only country in the world. If somebody is deemed basically unemployable, send him off to a country where his skills are considered valuable. Granting asylum is one thing, but we've already seen far too many economic migrants so if we accept asylum applicants, they need to be able to pull their own weight. Maybe require employers who hire them to guarantee that they will be productive members of society and not a burden on the tax payer. If they get fired, they immediately lose asylum status and give them a brief amount of time to find another job amongst the various countries that provide asylum status. If they can't, then ship 'em back to their home country. They had a chance and they blew it.

 

I will get into the nitty gritty with the DACA recipients.

If they can show that they have obtained skills are in the process of obtaining skills to do a job they may apply for citizenship. If they are working a full-time or part-time job without receiving benefits they may apply for citizenship. If they are currently enrolled in Middle School high school or Elementary School upon graduation they may apply for citizenship.

If any of the above groups have not applied for citizenship they should be given a 6-month Visa upon expiration they must vacate.

I also support joining the military and serving four years is a path to earning citizenship.

If they have been arrested for anything considered a Class A misdemeanor or above they should be deported. If they are drug users or dealers they should be deported.

Even with them we should only be accepting the people who plan on participating in our culture.

 

Going to try for a slightly different approach here because I suspect that some of the problems here lie is misperceptions.

Unless you can trace your own ancestry back to the original native Americans we are all either descendants of immigrants or recent immigrants if we are including everyone currently in the country irrespective of legal status.

Amongst those whose ancestors go back several generations how many actually went through a LEGAL process rather than just coming over to the New World? The concept of "legal immigration" is relatively RECENT.

Which brings up the concept as to WHY our ancestors came here in the first place. What were they seeking that they did not have where they were? That introduces the topic of MOTIVATION.

To a great many the motivation was FREE LAND from the government! Just stop and think about that one for a moment. What do we call those who expect free "stuff" from the government today? Our ancestors were essentially taking a form of Welfare from the government. Granted they weren't getting anything else but given the VALUE of land back in Europe it was worth a fortune to those who could never expect to afford to own their own land. Yes, they were expected to WORK the land they were given.

All of the above can be summed up as immigrants motivated to come to America because they expected to have a better life than the one they currently had if they were willing to take the risks and put in the effort.

How is that any different to what we see happening today?

Immigrants today are fleeing from similar conditions that our ancestors did.

Immigrants today have the exact same motivation as our ancestors did.

Immigrants today have the exact same work ethic as our ancestors did.

Immigrants today are only expecting the OPPORTUNITY to achieve what our ancestors did.

In essence there is no difference of any merit between our own ancestors and today's immigrants. If you meet a recent immigrant you could be meeting your own ancestor. Someone who is fleeing poverty and persecution with little more than a strong work ethic and a desire for a better life and a future for their children just like we have today.

America has over 100,000 miles of borders that are essentially impossible to protect effectively enough to stop anyone determined enough to make it across the border.

We have plenty of jobs that we are not willing to do ourselves.

We have wealth that we funnel into the pockets of the elite that could be better spent on improving the lives of We the People instead.

We are the Land of Opportunity and yet we are begrudging others the same opportunity that we are the beneficiaries of today.

Now given all of the above here is how I perceive immigration.

#1 We cannot stop immigration with barriers. That is feel good pablum and a waste of time.

#2 We do have jobs for those who come here and are willing to work.

#3 We can provide a means to attain legal status through requiring documented periods of work and/or service in the military.

#4 Immigrants who arrive here and commit crimes must serve their sentences and then be deported.

#5 Children who were brought here by their parents are raised as Americans and should be treated as such.

#6 We should perceive immigrants as being those who are starting on the same bottom rung just as our own ancestors did and give them the opportunity to improve their own lives and those of their children.

#7 We should make education a priority for immigrant children.

When we look at immigrants we should welcome them as future hardworking Americans who will contribute to our nation with their efforts just as our ancestors did when they arrived on our shores.

 

You've obviously never heard of the candelabra theory of migration, or that the injuns are just asians that made their way across the beringia landbridge in three successive waves some 20k years ago.

 

You have a disproportionate number of White Nationalists and White Supremacists on this board. What's a fraction of a percent in the actual population tries to appear like it's a majority.

The vast majority of Americans aren't freaked about immigration now that the financial crisis is over. Anti-immigrant sentiment always escalates during a financial crisis. Now people need workers for crappy jobs.

 

Inaction and lack of cooperation among politicians mirrors our own division, not the other way around. . . . If there was any semblance of solidarity among the general populace, Congress would have no choice but to submit to our wishes. Politicians fear making the wrong choice more than they do making no choice at all.

 

Due to my feelings and religious convictions, my thoughts are congruent with the following, defying compromise:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
― Emma Lazarus

Matthew 25:31-46 New International Version (NIV)
The Sheep and the Goats

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."


The latter quote is Jesus' own words; it is obvious that these thoughts would be unacceptable in legislation conforming exactly or even called to their implications, but perhaps they will soften the heart of many who are strongly against immigration.