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How To Enact Comprehensive Immigration Reform

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Meta777, Jun 20, 2018.

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    So what's the solution? Or do we just need to leave things the way they are?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Jun 21, 2018
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    I'd have though the obvious solution would be to turn them back at the border, rather than allow them into the processing system. Lil Mike has just said there's a backlog, and instead of the processing taking a day or two, it's taking months. Sounds like your system is to blame, not the incomers.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    So basically, while newer immigrants may have trouble with English at first they'll typically pick it up within a few years just as a necessity to be successful in this country, and that future generations will be just as integrated into American society as anyone else. So you're saying we ought to just let them seek out those English classes on their own volition. Seems sensible to me. And you're also saying that folks who've been here for 7+ years w/o criminal records etc. ought to be allowed a path to becoming citizens, regardless of their origin or reason for coming. Since we're looking for comprehensive though, I have to ask, what about immigrants who've been here less than 7 years? If they've snuck into the country, overstayed a temporary visa, or were brought illegally, then what should happen to them?

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    Meta777, Jun 22, 2018
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    So you think we should change our policies to be more like the Swiss?
    What specific changes do you think we should make to the status quo table below in order to achieve that?
    How would you change, for example, those numbers in the green section,
    and if there are specific entitlement or governmental size changes that have some bearing on immigration,
    what can be changed there, and how much should it change?

    Adult Undocumented Illegal Immigrants Who Sneak In: Deported
    Visa Holders Who Overstay Their Visas: Punishment Dependent on Overage, Up To Permanent Ban from U.S. if Over a Year
    Infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Deported With Parent/(recent) Tender Age Shelter
    Non-infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Deported With Parent/(recent) Internment Camp
    Unaccompanied Undocumented Children Who Sneak In: Resettled in U.S./(recent) Internment Camp
    Dreamers (Brought as kids who lived in U.S. for many years): N/A
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Work Visa for Seasonal Work: H1B Lottery 85K Annually (Up to 6 year Av. wait)
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Student Visa for Education: F1, J1, M1 Visa Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Merit-based Visa for Exceptional Talent: EB1 and EB2 Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Financial Investment: EB5, minimum $500k
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Lottery System: 50k Green Cards Annually
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Military Service: 12 years of Service
    Family Members of Immigrants in Military Service: Expedited Green Card for Children or Spouse Only
    Family Members of Legal Immigrants in General: Spouses, Young Unmarried Children, and Parents
    Family Members of Permanent U.S. Citizens: Max 480K Annually: Spouses, Young Children, Parents + Siblings and Older Children
    Legal Asylum Seekers/Refugees: Proof of Persecution or Threat of Death in Home Country (Max 26-70K Annually)
    /(recent) Turned Away or Deported
    Immigrants who Haven't Yet Assimilated the English Language: N/A
    Immigrants with Non-violent Non-drug-related Offenses: If Serious (1 year jail time) or a Felony, then Deported
    Immigrants with Non-violent Drug-related Offenses: Deported
    Immigrants with Violent Offenses: Deported
    Employers of Undocumented Immigrants: $250-$2,000 Fine Per Undocumented Employee For First Offense
    Smugglers of Undocumented Immigrants: Fine + Up to 10 Years (or 20 if anyone is injured) Jail Per Smuggled Person
    Visa Application and Petitioning Process: 1-4 Years Av For Employment Based, 1-10 Years For Non-Immediate Family
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement: 20K Agents, 226-240K Internal Deportations Annually
    Funding for Immigration Reforms: N/A
    Border Security: 353 Miles of Primary Fencing, Observation Towers, 20K Patrol Agents
    Other: ???    ​

    -Meta
     
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    I say let them apply.

    The very weird truth that no one talks about is until we closed our borders with Mexico our illegal population remained low. The reason is people would come here to work and then go back to Mexico where everyone conveniently spoke Spanish and their money went a whole lot further. By making it hard to get back in we gave them a very good reason to stay.

    But that's just the Mexican border, the vast majority of illegals fly here. As far as Trump's boogeyman man MS13? They're a multimillion dollar international criminal enterprise. They can afford to fly here with all the proper papers and visas. They don't come over the Mexican Border like a bunch of scrubs.

    If someone has put in a solid seven working the crappy jobs immigrants have to take let them go for citizenship. We owe them for that. Not that I think it'll be that big a deal.

    Political boundaries always envelope transportation and economic ties. By the end of the century the Americas will be one big Superhighway from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego with a Wawa and McDonald's at every exit.

    Two dozen more stars on Old Glory.
     
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    Your op is too long

    If you have a point to make lets hear ot and I will respond to that
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Its a complicated issue. More complicated I think than many people seem to realize.

    Thanks, and actually your response is actually the most comprehensive one given in this thread yet!
    I don't really have many follow up questions. :-D

    Though I'm assuming you're OK with and wouldn't want to change anything else in the green section from how it is now, right? Some of those immigrants might not necessarily be coming into the country for work, would they still be allowed?

    And when you mention closing the border, what specifically do you mean by that? Do you feel there should be improvements in border security? More agents perhaps? Some special kind of wall or something? Drones maybe?

    And specifically, what is your opinion on what should happen with legal asylum seekers?

    (Changes Highlighted In Bright Red)
    Adult Undocumented Illegal Immigrants Who Sneak In: Citizenship granted + 5 year probationary period
    Visa Holders Who Overstay Their Visas: Citizenship granted + 5 year probationary period
    Infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Citizenship granted + 5 year probationary period
    Non-infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Citizenship granted + 5 year probationary period
    Unaccompanied Undocumented Children Who Sneak In: Citizenship granted + 5 year probationary period
    Dreamers (Brought as kids who lived in U.S. for many years): Citizenship granted + 5 year probationary period
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Work Visa for Seasonal Work: Allow residency if U.S. company pledges to employ for 5 or more years
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Student Visa for Education: F1, J1, M1 Visa Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Merit-based Visa for Exceptional Talent: EB1 and EB2 Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Financial Investment: EB5, minimum $500k
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Lottery System: 50k Green Cards Annually
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Military Service: 12 years of Service
    Family Members of Immigrants in Military Service: Expedited Green Card for Children or Spouse Only
    Family Members of Legal Immigrants in General: Spouses, Young Unmarried Children, and Parents
    Family Members of Permanent U.S. Citizens: Max 480K Annually: Spouses, Young Children, Parents + Siblings and Older Children
    Legal Asylum Seekers/Refugees: Proof of Persecution or Threat of Death in Home Country (Max 26-70K Annually)
    /(recent) Turned Away or Deported
    Immigrants who Haven't Yet Assimilated the English Language: N/A
    Immigrants with Non-violent Non-drug-related Offenses: If Serious (1 year jail time) or a Felony, then Deported
    Immigrants with Non-violent Drug-related Offenses: Deported
    Immigrants with Violent Offenses: Deported
    Employers of Undocumented Immigrants: $250-$2,000 Fine Per Undocumented Employee For First Offense
    Smugglers of Undocumented Immigrants: Fine + Up to 10 Years (or 20 if anyone is injured) Jail Per Smuggled Person
    Visa Application and Petitioning Process: Streamline for immigrants if U.S. company pledges to employ for 5 or more years
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement: 20K Agents, 226-240K Internal Deportations Annually
    Funding for Immigration Reforms: N/A
    Border Security: 353 Miles of Primary Fencing, Observation Towers, 20K Patrol Agents
    Other1: Non-citizens who commit a felony, theft, assault, or fraud during probationary period deported and banned from reentry
    Other2: Repeal birthright citizenship portion of 14th amendment, require legal guardian to be a citizen for citizenship to be automatic at birth    ​

    -Meta
     
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  9. Liberty Monkey

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    I guess a trebuchet is out of the question?


    We could always try making their countries less crap and stop bombing people so much then people can make their own countries great (With our help) rather than make our countries sh*t again.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Heck yeah!

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    Maybe we should make it a requirement...
    that people wanting to immigrate into the country have to bring some amazing new type of food with them.
    Talk about a win win...

    BTW, why is there an egg and a toast emoticon, but no bacon?
    Madness!
     
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    Because Homer Simpson is the only emoticon we need! ;)

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    It isn't complicated at all, but the method of dealing with it is making it complicated: usually the best answer to a problem is the simplest one, so what do you think of mine, apropos turning them back at the border?
     
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    I would
    1. Create some emergency shelter's to house the immigrants, possibly try and do a deal with Mexico so we split them 50/50 to ease pressure.
    2. Streamline the legal process to reject 80% of the immigrants who aren't proper asylum seekers
    3. Create a potential path for citizenship for the existing illegals but only if they are registered no path for anyone not registered by a certain date, we won't deport them but any felony's and you're out of here. Better to get them into the system and paying taxes. No voting rights until citizenship, citizenship pathway to take 15 years from date of registration and cut off date say 3 months from now. We then get to see how many are really here in the process.
    4. Being born still makes you a citizen if you can speak fluent English, read/write and have attended schools.
    5. Sanctuary cities have to end.
    6. Mexico needs more political pressure and possibly financial incentive to take the immigrants themselves rather than give them a "Disneyland" fast past to the American border.
    7. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Libby Schaaf should all be made to live for 1 month in the homeless camps with the illegal immigrants so they can see the other side which I know is hard from the pool.
    8. Legal Immigration needs to be revolutionised, there needs to be a path for these people to the US but it needs to be merit based, maybe some education programs to bring people up to the US standard and with job skills that are in demand in their own countries before they can immigrate.
    9. Children need to be DNA tested to make sure they're travelling with their parents, child trafficking is a serious problem that's being ignored by the left and even called right wing propaganda but it's very real and we must do more to try to eliminate it.
     
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    We have a time frame that generally runs from infancy to puberty where it is possible to become fluent in a native language. After that, it's a lot like high school french class.

    As for amnesty, the problem is that we've done it time and time and time and time again. They keep the border open, then cry about letting people in the country stay and closing the barn door, then five years later you've got a new batch of "dreamers" who are in the same boat, and people will be crying once again about dreamers and to think about the children.

    There comes a time when you just have to put your foot down and say enough.
     
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    Not sure what you mean there. Other than briefly mentioning our country's current policy on them,
    I don't think I've mentioned anything at all about employers in this thread.
    Or are you just saying that there are others who ought to be getting the fines?
    Looking at the rest of your post, it seems like there are a lot of folks you think should be getting fines.

    Whoa, lot's to break down here, but I think I got it for the most part.

    Assuming for the adoption part that you mean for the parent to have the choice right?
    They'll be deported either way, but they can choose to leave their kid behind and have them adopted,
    or choose to take the kid with them as they're being deported, right? That makes sense, if so.

    And for the Dreamers, I assumed you were for giving them temp status + citizenship after 4 in the military like the other kids, though note while dreamers may have been brought in as kids, they could be older than 16 at this time or by the time any change to policy is implemented. But I take it the age they're at when crossing the border is what matters.

    You mentioned that folks selling cars or providing daycare for undocumented immigrants should be prosecuted. What would be the punishment? Would it be the same $4K fine per immigrant?

    (Changes Highlighted in Bright Red)
    Adult Undocumented Illegal Immigrants Who Sneak In: If 16 and up, Deported and Banned from Reentry
    Visa Holders Who Overstay Their Visas: Deported and 3 year reentry ban on first offense. Permanent ban on second
    Infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Adoption by U.S. couple or Deported w/ Parent. Parent's choice
    Non-infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Temp status granted. Citizenship granted after 4 years of military service
    Unaccompanied Undocumented Children Who Sneak In: Temp status granted. Citizenship granted after 4 years of military service
    Dreamers (Brought as kids who lived in U.S. for many years): Temp status granted. Citizenship granted after 4 years of military service
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Work Visa for Seasonal Work: H1B Lottery 85K Annually (Up to 6 year Av. wait)
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Student Visa for Education: F1, J1, M1 Visa Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Merit-based Visa for Exceptional Talent: EB1 and EB2 Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Financial Investment: EB5, minimum $500k
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Lottery System: 50k Green Cards Annually
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Military Service: 12 years of Service
    Family Members of Immigrants in Military Service: Expedited Green Card for Children or Spouse Only
    Family Members of Legal Immigrants in General: Spouses, Young Unmarried Children, and Parents
    Family Members of Permanent U.S. Citizens: Max 480K Annually: Spouses, Young Children, Parents + Siblings and Older Children
    Legal Asylum Seekers/Refugees: Proof of Persecution or Threat of Death in Home Country (Max 26-70K Annually)
    /(recent) Turned Away or Deported
    Immigrants who Haven't Yet Assimilated the English Language: N/A
    Immigrants with Non-violent Non-drug-related Offenses: If Serious (1 year jail time) or a Felony, then Deported
    Immigrants with Non-violent Drug-related Offenses: Deported
    Immigrants with Violent Offenses: Deported
    Employers of Undocumented Immigrants: $250-$2,000 Fine Per Undocumented Employee For First Offense
    Smugglers of Undocumented Immigrants: Fine + Up to 10 Years (or 20 if anyone is injured) Jail Per Smuggled Person
    Visa Application and Petitioning Process: 1-4 Years Av For Employment Based, 1-10 Years For Non-Immediate Family
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement: 20K Agents, 226-240K Internal Deportations Annually
    Funding for Immigration Reforms: N/A
    Border Security: 353 Miles of Primary Fencing, Observation Towers, 20K Patrol Agents
    Other1: $4K per day fine per protected immigrant on cities declaring themselves as sanctuary cities
    Other2: Prosecution of anybody who registers a car to an undocumented immigrant
    Other3: Prosecution of anybody who provides day care services to an undocumented immigrant
    Other4: $4K per day fine per immigrant on businesses that allow undocumented immigrants to panhandle outside
    Other5: Legal Immigrants should be afforded a fast track to citizenship    ​

    -Meta
     
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    Go back to the Op. You color coded things. The first line in blue.


    Yes.

    If they were brought here under the age of 16.

    Whatever the punishment for employers that employ illegals.

    Please don't rewrite my statements and claim that they are mine.
     
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    The House GOP caucus was working on immigration reform and STOPPED...because Trump signaled he wouldn't support ANYTHING.

    He WANTS this situation to continue and the GOP is too gutless to stand up to him.

    We need to throw those bums out
     
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    Hmm,...but we need to have some sort of defined policy for how its handled.
    Could we then just designate someone to look at the cases and make a decision?
    A court judge perhaps? That could probably work, though might make for a slow and cumbersome process.

    So, cancellations to both of those programs then? I think I get what you're saying with that one.
    Immigrants are willing to work for less, so they can put downward pressure on wages.
    What about the Tender Age Shelter/Internment Camp stuff?

    Another poster actually made a very similar suggestion to that, so looks like it could be a popular one. Thanks.

    Adult Undocumented Illegal Immigrants Who Sneak In: Deported
    Visa Holders Who Overstay Their Visas: Deported Regardless of Degree and Banned from Reentry
    Infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Deported With Parent/(recent) Tender Age Shelter
    Non-infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Deported With Parent/(recent) Internment Camp
    Unaccompanied Undocumented Children Who Sneak In: Deported
    Dreamers (Brought as kids who lived in U.S. for many years): Case by Case Basis
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Work Visa for Seasonal Work: Cancel Program
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Student Visa for Education: F1, J1, M1 Visa Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Merit-based Visa for Exceptional Talent: EB1 and EB2 Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Financial Investment: EB5, minimum $500k
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Lottery System: Cancel Program
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Military Service: 12 years of Service
    Family Members of Immigrants in Military Service: Expedited Green Card for Children or Spouse Only
    Family Members of Legal Immigrants in General: Spouses, Young Unmarried Children, and Parents
    Family Members of Permanent U.S. Citizens: Max 480K Annually: Spouses, Young Children, Parents + Siblings and Older Children
    Legal Asylum Seekers/Refugees: Must Obtain and Keep Employment to Stay, Else Deported
    Immigrants who Haven't Yet Assimilated the English Language: N/A
    Immigrants with Non-violent Non-drug-related Offenses: Deported Regardless of Degree and Banned from Reentry
    Immigrants with Non-violent Drug-related Offenses: Deported
    Immigrants with Violent Offenses: Deported
    Employers of Undocumented Immigrants: $250-$2,000 Fine Per Undocumented Employee For First Offense
    Smugglers of Undocumented Immigrants: Fine + Up to 10 Years (or 20 if anyone is injured) Jail Per Smuggled Person
    Visa Application and Petitioning Process: 1-4 Years Av For Employment Based, 1-10 Years For Non-Immediate Family
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement: 20K Agents, 226-240K Internal Deportations Annually
    Funding for Immigration Reforms: N/A
    Border Security: 353 Miles of Primary Fencing, Observation Towers, 20K Patrol Agents
    Other: ???    ​

    -Meta
     
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    Return to the pre-1920 rules on immigration. That would be reform and comprehensive.

    It would also be pretty simple.
     
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    He thinks he will get a bill which restricts immigration more after the next election. I think it will depend on how hispanics vote. If they vote heavily against the republican party (say 3/4 against) the Republican party may rethink its anti-immigrant views.
     
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    I updated the table with these items.

    How do we measure that trait in immigrants wanting to get in? A pledge?
    And for immigrants who are here, what do we do about them if they fail to meet that measurement?

    Yes, that is our country's current policy on how to deal with employers who hire undocumented immigrants.
    Though that said, I'm not really so sure on how well they actually do at enforcing that policy.
    Perhaps improvements regarding enforcement needs to be part of the solution...

    Thanks,

    So.....$250-$2,000 Fine?....OK then.

    For the sake of organization, I'm trying to fit everyone's suggestions into the standardized table.
    If I made a mistake somewhere fitting in yours then please do correct me.
    Or if you want, feel free to try and fill out the table yourself.

    Adult Undocumented Illegal Immigrants Who Sneak In: If 16 and up, Deported and Banned from Reentry
    Visa Holders Who Overstay Their Visas: Deported and 3 year reentry ban on first offense. Permanent ban on second
    Infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Adoption by U.S. couple or Deported w/ Parent. Parent's choice
    Non-infant Children Who Immigrate Unlawfully with Parent: Temp status granted. Citizenship granted after 4 years of military service
    Unaccompanied Undocumented Children Who Sneak In: Temp status granted. Citizenship granted after 4 years of military service
    Dreamers (Brought as kids who lived in U.S. for many years): Temp status granted. Citizenship granted after 4 years of military service, or path to citizenship if demonstrated skills/process of obtaining skills to do a job/working a job w/o benefits or are enrolled in K-12
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Work Visa for Seasonal Work: H1B Lottery 85K Annually (Up to 6 year Av. wait)
    Immigrants Seeking Temporary Student Visa for Education: F1, J1, M1 Visa Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Merit-based Visa for Exceptional Talent: EB1 and EB2 Programs
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Financial Investment: EB5, minimum $500k
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Lottery System: 50k Green Cards Annually
    Immigrants Seeking Permanent Visa Via Military Service: 12 years of Service
    Family Members of Immigrants in Military Service: Expedited Green Card for Children or Spouse Only
    Family Members of Legal Immigrants in General: Spouses, Young Unmarried Children, and Parents
    Family Members of Permanent U.S. Citizens: Max 480K Annually: Spouses, Young Children, Parents + Siblings and Older Children
    Legal Asylum Seekers/Refugees: Proof of Persecution or Threat of Death in Home Country (Max 26-70K Annually)
    /(recent) Turned Away or Deported
    Immigrants who Haven't Yet Assimilated the English Language: N/A
    Immigrants with Non-violent Non-drug-related Offenses: Class A Misdemeanor or above then Deported
    Immigrants with Non-violent Drug-related Offenses: Deported
    Immigrants with Violent Offenses: Deported
    Employers of Undocumented Immigrants: $250-$2,000 Fine Per Undocumented Employee For First Offense
    Smugglers of Undocumented Immigrants: Fine + Up to 10 Years (or 20 if anyone is injured) Jail Per Smuggled Person
    Visa Application and Petitioning Process: 1-4 Years Av For Employment Based, 1-10 Years For Non-Immediate Family
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement: 20K Agents, 226-240K Internal Deportations Annually
    Funding for Immigration Reforms: N/A
    Border Security: 353 Miles of Primary Fencing, Observation Towers, 20K Patrol Agents
    Other1: $4K per day Fine per protected immigrant on cities declaring themselves as sanctuary cities
    Other2: $250-$2,000 Fine for anybody who registers a car to an undocumented immigrant
    Other3: $250-$2,000 Fine for anybody who provides day care services to an undocumented immigrant
    Other4: $4K per day Fine per immigrant on businesses that allow undocumented immigrants to panhandle outside
    Other5: Legal Immigrants should be afforded a fast track to citizenship
    Other6: Dreamers not already applied for citizenship given a 6 month Visa and Deported if they have not applied after the 6 months    ​

    -Meta
     
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    For anyone's info, several "Liberal" countries have implemented a merit-based immigration system.
     
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    I doubt that judges have the skills necessary to asses the ability of applicants to mesh with American society. Maybe something akin to a parole board hearing with upstanding citizens from the local community the immigrants want to reside in. What I'd be looking for is some skin in the game. If they want to accept an applicant, then they're accepting a neighbor.

    From what I have read about those tender age places, placement is discretionary with several facilities that specialize in certain ages and needs. I don't really see a way around those, except that it's the best of a bad situation. There are adults and children entering the country illegally. Naturally you want to find out if the adults are actually the parents of the children, but sans documentation, there is no way to tell.

    Perhaps the best way would be for the parents to contact their embassy and then they could take custody of the children once nationality has been established.
     
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    Then you should take ownership of it don't rewrite what I say incorrectly and claim that it's me that is fraudulent
     
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