Hungary will not take part in the Cold War against Russia

What US base in Hungary? Those are Hungarian-owned bases I thought that house the Hungarian 47th?

 

Taszár and Pápa Airbase for example. Further Heavy US Army units should be deployed due to civil war in Ukraine too...

 

Those bases are not American. Both of those are Hungarian bases. Home of the Hungarian 47th.

 

But as part of NATO Forces used by USAF in fixed matter too, for example by those US transport planes as Galaxy or Globemaster.

 

The claims of regime changes by Washington is not a conspiracy theory or a personal opinion, it is an established foreign policy of the US government and they do it through NGO's...that's why Russia is banning them. The coup in Kiev is a perfect example. The American and EU government officials actually appeared at Maidan to support the protesters...and were even paying the protesters to stay there.

If foreign dignitaries appeared in NY during the Wall Street protests, the American people would have been furious...yet Washington and the EU did it at Maidan so they could have a regime change, without any respect and concern towards Ukraine's sovereignty.

The Western media also lied and presented the atrocities committed at Maidan as a peaceful demonstration....yet there are videos of the police being set on fire and beaten. Ashton even warned Yanukovich not to do anything to stop the so called 'peaceful' protesters. Later on when Yanukovich gave the orders to the police to defend themselves, it was blasted all over the media to present him as a monster.

In the meantime before the referendum in Crimea, seven protesters from Simferopol were killed and three hundred others were beaten for eight hours on their way back from Kiev. That though was never mentioned in the Western press. And when the protesters in Odessa were burned alive. ..the press pretended they set themselves on fire.

When Donbas voted to federalize, Poroshenko refused to speak to them and began bombing and killing them and calling them terrorists. Nuland this time instead of telling Poroshenko not to harm the peaceful protesters...when they really were peaceful, praised him instead for being tough.

As for Russia, I haven't seen them do anything other than defend themselves from the onslaught of Washington's propaganda and lies...And as for corruption, if Washington really cared about it, then why are they working with the biggest criminals in the world...like Kolomoisky, and supporting tax evaders like Khodorovsky? Also why are they allowing Poroshenko to make Sashkavili the governor of Odessa, when he's wanted for crimes in Georgia?

Also what about the whores P*ssy Riot and their desecration of the 'Church of Our Saviour' in Moscow? Hillary Clinton wined and dined them and presented them as heroes...yet if anyone in the US desecrated the Washington Cathedral or Saint Patrick's in New York the American people would be furious.

 

Many countries use other countries airbases on a daily basis. You are spewing lies about US bases in Hungary. Because a transport plane landed and refueled there, means squat. If a Russian often lands at a (hypothetically) a Spanish base, that doesn't make it a Russian base.

Tell the truth.

No US personnel hold command there. They are Hungarian bases.

 

Any serious source outside Russian Media about what you say … outside Russian Media, because if you blame Western Media to lie, I can do same about Russian Media?
Isn’t it possible in your mind that Yanukovych was only a dictator and depressed his people … and with his end to West and EU policy he annoyed too much people finally?

Isn’t it possible that you totally forget the story of before Yanukovych starts to change to Pro Russia? What story?
How much loan has Ukraine at GAZPROM = Russia state and how often was Ukraine not only threaten to be put off from Gas and Oil deliveries, but really cut off?
Wasn’t there any pressure given by Russia into Yanukovych direction to stop the negotiations with EU at all and to sign the Federation customs contract with Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
Why were under Yanukovich, which was and is claimed by many Pro Russians to be democrat, so many political oppositionists suddenly arrested, accused and sentenced to prison for absurd and ridiculous alleged offenses … if they were more pro-western political?

All and everything only Western propaganda and lies, false flag and whatever?

 

Really ... well, then please take a closer look on what is currently based on these 2 bases. However and sure, bases of NATO neighbors of Hungary can be used too etc., as well can Hungarian Air Space being excluded too ... but as told: The commonality of NATO members is slowly breaking since about 1 year. Latest point of this was shown yesterday with NATO meeting about Turkish actions against ISIS and PKK ... because most silenced in public with their opinions about point that Turkey is bombing PKK too and not only ISIS who made the bombing ...

 

You were the one who called them US bases in Hungary. You stated something false. I corrected your misinformation and pointed out that the 47th Hungarian forces have those bases. Other nations can certainly land there, but they are their bases.

I hope that helped clear up your confusion.

 

You're not an American citizen.
Why do you pretend to be?

 

I never read the main stream media, because they all present only the same bits and pieces Washington allows them to present.

What I would suggest to you, is to watch some of the videos of Prof. Stephen Cohen who is the foremost expert on Russia, and also some videos where Prof. Naom Chomsky discusses Russia and Ukraine. He is considered one of the most brilliant men in the US.

You can also read some of the comments in articles on the site of Dr. Paul Craig Roberts who was Pres. Reagan's economic adviser, and also the investigative reporter Robert Parry of Consortiumnews. He's the one who found out information on who shot down the airliner in Ukraine. I also consider Moon of Alabama brilliant...but there are a lot more internet sites.

You can also get on to news sources like Global Research, New Eastern Outlook and Voltairenet, etc.

That is something that no one will ever know, since anyone who went against the Maidans was beaten, killed or ran out to escape.

Okay let me explain what happened. Yanukovich needed fifteen billion to get Ukraine out of debt. No one would give him the money except Russia, and they advanced him three billion before the protests. When he went to sign the agreement with the EU, Russia said that it would have to stop all trade, because it cannot have EU products coming into Russia without paying tariffs.

Yanukovich realized there was no way Ukraine could afford losing its trade with Russia, so he asked if he could delay signing for a while until things could be straightened out and the EU said 'no'.

Putin said he was willing to speak to the EU about it, so maybe they could come to an agreement, and again the EU said 'no'.

Here is something from the site Vineyard of the Saker about someone who tried to run in the election against Poroshenko:

Ex-MP Oleg Tsarev was the last truly “Pro-Eastern” politician in Ukraine who attempted to act through democratic channels. He tried to run in a presidential election against Poroshenko.

After he was severely beaten by a nationalist mob in Kiev, he withdrew his candidacy and called on all men of honor to do the same, saying the election is undemocratic and it is illegal to hold one while there is a civil war unfolding.

Soon after, his house was burned down, and Kolomoiski (according to Tsarev’s claims and a phone recording) put a price of $1M on his head.​

Someone posted the recording on the forum. I heard it and the threat.

 

Mandelus - This is an article from the site Fort Russ and taken from the Polish weekly; "Mysl Polska". It is by Roman Dmowski and he wrote it about Ukraine eighty years ago, yet it seems so true today...believe it or not.

 

So you and your source "Fort Russ" quote an antisemitic, polish nationalist, admirer of Mussolini and his fascism (which he tried to introcuce in Poland in 1926).
It was people like Dmowski, who prevented the success of visionaires like Pilsudski - and caused figures like Bandera on the other side ...

No, you do not simply quote him, you even reaffirm his faschist Statements. Usually I'm a peaceful man, but here I must say - shame on you, and please no further word from you about fascism in other countries.

Europe has advanced in the last 80 years. Where once feelings of national superiority dominated we have now friendship. Especially Poland made a big step towards his eastern neighbours Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine (also towards Germany of course), while Russia makes a direct tour from 20th century bolshewism towards 19th century nationalism.

 

I took now some time about the sources you name and must say this: Some points are OK and people should think about it … but in sum it is in average same sort of crap, but well written. At least they take only parts of facts and reports etc. an then have re-merged them new like a puzzle … and “voila”, you have a total other picture.
This is always a bad way they did, because everyone can only work this way and so create a total new picture to back something. But this is unfortunately a common way to do these things.

Example of another issue to explain:
At 9/11 these conspiracy freaks tell for example again and again that termite traces were found, backed by a huge scientific report, full of expert vocabulary jabbering. Wow! But if you take time to get deeper in it then you find fast several contradictions. First of all they excluded all possible things that were normally inside to have only in part same substances as termite … strange nothing of these millions things inside WTC are able to have too? One important substance where these experts tell that it can only have to do with termite is substance Brome. Really? Ehm … these thousands of steel beams of WTC were painted in what? Anti-Rust color! What is in nearly all Anti-Rust colors inside and give them the reddish brown color too? Brome!
Again, this has nothing to do with Ukraine so far, but it is a real good example of how these blaming conspiracy experts are working … and how they are being proofed to be liars and make falsifications of things to back their claims.

Interesting that the other side … the by you so called Western propagandas … tell the complete other thing at least. Sure, these supporters of Yanukovych earned later spanking too, but THEY started with it first! Please don’t ignore the situation in Ukraine since long time before it was ever any sort of conspiracy claims … anyone demonstrating against government was faster arrested and beaten by police and militia as it was under the mass murder Stalin in Moscow (aside fact that no one did under Stalin, because if = death penalty as consequence).

And this is the main problem, because what you tell here with this and that source is only a part of the truth and unfortunately glossed.
That Yanukovych was under pressure between EU and Russia is undeniable … but as much as you beat the West here, please beat Putin same way too for the first. Reason: This was no friendly and brother like discussion between Yanukovych and Putin, because Putin threatened Yanukovych heavy with no oils and gas, end of any trading with Russia if he does not what Putin tells!
So you (and others) are always beaten the West that they make conspiracy against other government, well what does Putin here? Open threating and dirty game too in matter to support these more Russian friendly part of government for change in government if Yanukovych does not simply say “Da gaspardin Putin!”

Ehm … you oversee and ignore again the complete situation in Ukraine far before Maidan … or you are even make it glossy. Ukraine was only a clear totalitarian regime with camouflage to be democratic only. Before Maidan was no real opposition existing in Ukraine, simply because you went to prison if you started to make opposition! So even if you tell that Yanukovych was elected, it happened far away from any serious free democratic election! This is NO western propaganda, this is fact!
That after Maidan Ukraine is not really a democracy too is correct … but to oversee / ignore / dispute this worst situation under the Yanukovych regime and to blame only for any non-democratic cases after Maidan is lame!

 

Politics. A lot of this reminds me greatly of the lead up to WWII with countries like Hungary playing on one side of the political field. Many of the smaller countries that played like Hungary is playing now were eaten up.

 

Your nonsense - very funny.
Especially funny to read this nonsense from a resident of Bavaria. You better tell us all about the beer riots or "Kristallnacht." Or even be on the "night of the long knives." We are not interested to listen to nonsense about "the bloody Russian."

 

Hungary has nothing to lose. United States already had eaten Hungary.
Georges Clemenceau wrote - "America is the only country which has passed from the stage of barbarism to the stage of degeneration. Bypassing the stage of civilization."
Mark Twain said - "Well that Columbus discovered America, but it would be much better if he had sailed past."
Charles Dickens - "I know of no one American gentleman. And God forgive me that I mention those two words together."

Great men know what they say. Is not it?

 

No one is interested in your red herrings, much less listening to you pretend that you speak for anyone but yourself.

The fact is, Europe2050 is correct - Russia has turned from 20th Century bolshevism to 19th Century nationalism. If you want to get all butt-hurt about it, do something about your masters in the Kremlin.

 

Especially for you.
Georges Clemenceau wrote - "America is the only country which has passed from the stage of barbarism to the stage of degeneration. Bypassing the stage of civilization."
Mark Twain said - "Well that Columbus discovered America, but it would be much better if he had sailed past."
Charles Dickens - "I know of no one American gentleman. And God forgive me that I mention those two words together."

Jim Carrey - "Same-sex marriages are legal in six states, but sex with a horse legalized in 23 states".
Congratulations on your success in the promotion of liberal values.

 

Not sure you are right about this.

Turkey has now agreed to let the US use its air bases, and NATO has apparently agreed to get more involved in the Mid-East:
http://news.antiwar.com/2015/07/31/nato-agrees-to-launch-new-training-program-for-iraqi-military/

 

Good. As much as I think Putin is an overcompensating closet poofter the average Russian shouldn't suffer because of it. That said, a new leader would be great and hopefully one less liberal and less inclined to bend over for Obama like was done during the Iran deal.

 

I posted the article not because of who he was, (which frankly I don't give a damn), but because of the accuracy of what he had written eighty years ago. I don't know what your values are, or on what end of the moral spectrum you fall on, but to me the leaderships in Ukraine consists of the lowest form of humanity in existence...whether they be American, Ukrainian, Georgian, Lithuanian, Polish or who knows what. Their greed and collective hypocrisy appalls me.

 

What is quite strange about this deal with the air base in Turkey, is that the US was given permission to use it against ISIS, while at the same time Turkey began bombing the PKK...yet Washington supports the Kurdish party in Syria which is close to the PKK. Was this planned or is it just another way to cause chaos in the Middle East by the Empire of Chaos?

 

Wow.
Why would the US take Russian refugees?
How are they transported? Who pays for it?

 

Well, from "Kristallnacht" and all the other Nationalsozialist cruelities until my birth a couple of decades went by, so I can tell you nothing about it, that you couldn't learn from good history books. But be asured, that I condemn these cruelties made by Germans and stand against deniers and relativators of them.
But as an admirer of Stalin, who you seem to be, I don't understand your pro Putin position. Even me, wo damnes Stalin for his ideological motivated dictatorship and the murders - I respect his straight anti nationalist policy. But for me Putin is not his reincarnation, but the direct opposite. Putin seems more like a reincarnation of the czars.

I think you indeed should decide, whom you quote. You would - justifiably - be offended, if I took some quotes of Hitler or his Ideologists about the Russians and tell you, that it doesn't matter who he was, but his quotes were accurate.
No - you try to sell us simple fascism and it doesnt matter, if the fascists are Germans and the victims are Jews or if the fascists are Russians and the victims are Ukrainian. You try to define them as "Untermenschen" just as the Germans did with the Jews in the 1930's.


On the first view it sems to be astonishing to get oppsition both from extreme left wing and extreme right wing on the same post. But like in Germany in the early 1930 they only seem to fight one another - in true they jointly fight western style democracy. And therefore the main enemies in Europe for them are
- the EU, that - despite of all operational Problems - is the democratic and antinationalistic example,
- and the Ukraine that has started to go on a way like this.