Hungary will not take part in the Cold War against Russia

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  1. Europe2050

    Europe2050 New Member

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    Yes, it has.

    Not shooting on your neighbour, because he has another nationality is an advance.
    Accepting foreign minorities on own ground (and vice versa accepting not to live in a own nations country by the minority) like in Südtrol/Alto adige; Slesvig-Schleswig, Eupen-Malmedy or Finland or ... is too.
    Having the Chance to settle down, marry and work in the whole EU as in your own country is too.
    No comparision to the times before WW1 or WW2. In USA you have these things since centries, but for Europe this is a big advance.

    With the USA we have treaties, and not all details (NSA, G.W. Bush, Middle east policy) fit us well. But although there are anti-US-demonstrations in Germany and parties like "Die Linke" or movements from the extreme right wing, who are anti-US, the broad mass of Germans show in elections, that they support the general line of politics together with the USA. And we did well with this in the last 70 years.

    Sure nobody likes nukes on his ground, but if they are the price for peace and developement, Germany accepts them, as for example shown in the times of 1983. 100.000's of people demonstrated against Pershing - and the mass elected CDU and FDP with the program to put those Missiles against the sowjet SS20.
     
  2. phil white

    phil white Member Past Donor

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    My understanding is Crimea is about 60% ethnic Russian.
    Eastern "Ukraine" is maybe 80% ethnic Russian.
    How long has the Eastern part of Ukraine been majority ethnic Russian? Does it only date from Stalin's genocide against the Ukraine around 1930?
    I ask because I assume the Soviets might have re-populated Eastern Ukraine after they starved the Ukrainians out.:salute:
     
  3. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    And not to forget the point that chancellor Schroeder shows Bush for his war in Iraq 2003 the cold shoulder (to say it gently) in all consequences it had or not had ... personal opinion and rating if there were real consequences.
    So for sure are Germany and Europe in all not only a US vassal ... this is only a lame claim of Anti-US people full of hate against everything what is not clear with their opinions.

    On the other side ... are Kazakhstan and all the other Ex-USSR Republics which are independent countries and having still Russian military bases with and without Nuclear Weapons on their ground at least only Russian vassals ... simply because they allow it? If someone will deny this, he should take a closer look of Russian IBM potential and where they are placed!
     
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    "Russians in Ukraine form the largest ethnic minority in the country, and the community forms the largest single Russian diaspora in the world. In the 2001 Ukrainian census, 8,334,100 identified as ethnic Russians (17.3% of the population of Ukraine), this is the combined figure for persons originating from outside of Ukraine and the native population declaring Russian ethnicity"

    "In his 1923 speech devoted to the national and ethnic issues in the party and state affairs, Joseph Stalin identified several obstacles in implementing the national program of the party. Those were the "dominant-nation chauvinism", "economic and cultural inequality" of the nationalities and the "survivals of nationalism among a number of nations which have borne the heavy yoke of national oppression".[10]

    In Ukraine's case, both threats came, respectfully, from the south and the east: Novorossiya with its historically strong Russian cultural influence, and the traditional Ukrainian center and west. These considerations brought about a policy of Ukrainization, to simultaneously break the remains of the Great Russian attitude and to gain popularity among the Ukrainian population, thus recognizing their dominance of the republic.[11]

    Ukrainian language was mandatory for most jobs, and its teaching became compulsory in every school.

    By the early-1930s attitudes towards the policy of Ukrainization had changed within the Soviet leadership. In 1933 Stalin declared that local nationalism was the main threat to Soviet unity.[4] Consequently, many changes introduced during the Ukrainization period were reversed: Russian language schools, libraries and newspapers were restored and even increased in number. Changes were brought territorially as well, forcing the Ukrainian SSR to cede some territories to the RSFSR. During this period parents in the Ukrainian SSR could choose to send their children whose native language was not Ukrainian to schools with Russian as the primary language of instruction.
    Later Soviet times

    The territory of Ukraine was a battlefield during the World War II, and its population, including Russians, significantly decreased. The infrastructure was heavily damaged and it required human and capital resources to be rebuilt. This compounded with depopulation caused by two famines of 1931–1932 and a third in 1947 to leave the territory with a greatly reduced population. A large portion of the wave of new migrants to industrialize, integrate and Sovietize the recently acquired western Ukrainian territories were ethnic Russians who mostly settled around industrial centers and military garrisons.[12] This increased the proportion of the Russian speaking population.

    Near the end of the War, the entire population of Crimean Tatars (numbering up to a quarter of a million) was expelled from their homeland in Crimea to Central Asia, under accusations of collaborations with Germans.[13][14] The Crimea was repopulated by the new wave of Russian and Ukrainian settlers and the Russian proportion of the population of Crimea went up significantly (from 47.7% in 1937 to 61.6% in 1993) and the Ukrainian proportion doubled (12.8% in 1937 and 23.6% in 1993).[15]

    The Ukrainian language remained a mandatory subject of study in all Russian schools, but in many government offices preference was given to the Russian language that gave an additional impetus to the advancement of Russification. The 1979 census showed that only one third of ethnic Russians spoke the Ukrainian language fluently.[4]

    In 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR issued the decree on the transfer of the Crimean Oblast from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR. This action increased the ethnic Russian population of Ukraine by almost a million people. Many Russian politicians considered the transfer to be controversial.[16] Controversies and legality of the transfer remained a sore point in relations between Ukraine and Russia for a few years, and in particular in the internal politics in Crimea. However, in a 1997 treaty between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, Russia recognized Ukraine's borders and accepted Ukraine's sovereignty over Crimea."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Ukraine
     
  5. Ethereal

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    Europe's conflicts are subdued because they were dominated by the US government destruction and occupation of their lands.

    The centralization of Europe through the EU is not an advancement, it is a regression, as was the centralization of America through the Federal government.

    And I don't know why you think the USA has had peace and tolerance for "centuries". The "civil war" was only about a century and half ago, and that was one of the most violent and destructive wars in human history. And the institutional racism against black Americans still exists to this day.

    Your election results are a direct consequence of the US and UK government's conquest of Germany. You live under an even more oppressive US government propaganda system than most Americans do.
     
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    Neat statistic, I will remember it. I wonder if Texas has a larger percentage of the population who would identify as Mexican ethnicity?




     
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    LOL, then they should not ask for or expect help when Putin assimilates them into the New USSR. Let's see which country invaded another country and stole part of through force and backs rebels to take more, oh wait that would not be the USA, that would be the USSR, oh wait, too soon, that would be Russia:roflol:
     
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    What evidence do you have that Russia intends to assimilate Hungary?

    Russia didn't invade anyone. Their forces were already stationed in Crimea as part of a preexisting treaty, and the majority of the people living in Crimea wanted to assimilate with Russia. That's called "legality" and "democracy", not an "invasion".

    But as long as we're on the subject of invasions and funding rebel movements, why don't you compare Russia's actions in Crimea to the US government's actions in countries like Iraq, Libya, and Syria? Whose actions have been more destructive?
     
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    Stalin did genocide of the Russian people, and send Russian people to make industry in empty east Ukraine and poor Ukrainians from the western Ukraine began to come and work in this industrial region.:angel:
     
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    I like Victor Orban. Europe needs more people like him. He's a rare breed of a European politician who actually sees how dangerous uncontrollable immigration is. Common sense. Russia is not Europe's enemy. It poses zero threat to European way of life. On the other hand, uncontrollable immigration from far away 'exotic' Muslim countries poses the direct threat to Europeans. Cultural, economic and physical.

    Viktor Orban – Another Defector of the US Empire

    Europeans ought to start taking their security much more seriously and brutally deal with illegal immigration. Let Americans spread their nonsensical propaganda against non-existential threat from Russia.
     
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    The problem with the immigrants, is that Nato destroyed their countries and with it their livlihood and homes. They have no choice but to go into Europe for survival. The Southern Europeans should not be the only ones suffering since the bombing involved all of Nato.

    There was a humorous article in Russia Today by a Dutchman I believe, who said that Putin lost his chance by not taking the Mistrals. He should have told the French officials to strip them of all their military arms, and then turned them into mercy ships called 'Putin's Arks'.

    Each ship would be able to carry thousands of refugees from Africa, and he could take them easily to Kaliningrad and house them temporarily in a former Nazi camp. He could then give them a Putin T-shirt, a Putin water bottle, some sandwiches and euros, and show them the border of Poland. They would have no problem crossing it, and afterwards its all farmlands so they could easily feed tens of thousands of Africans.

    Putin might even win a Pulitzer Prize for his humanity, and I'm sure he and Shoigu would enjoy watching the Poles as they started heading westwards to escape.


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  13. Mandelus

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    Totally hopeless case when I read this again ...

    Putin shall win Pulitzer price for humanity you tell! Another one tells that Stalin was a human person ... Ahhrgh! If there is any god existing with whatever name he has, please let rain some brains down! We have a huge lack here at people on earth!
     

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