I like Trump, but I hope he doesn't run again.

Yes I notice that all the Left I have listen to, all want to point out all the jobs lost in Trump's last year, even knowing that was because of states shutting down thousands of businesses and people not allowed to go to work, or patronize businesses. Many Blue states were the last to open up.Now these people know that Trump had no control over that. He even pleaded for Blue states to open up. But look, there is a way to say Trump lost more jobs than he gained so his presidency was a complete failure. Forgetting to point out that before the virus hit us, the poor and middle class has seen their biggest wage gains and manufacturing had come back when economists thought they were lost forever.

The difference with Obama's economy, is we know when he came in the economy was at the bottom of the barrow. It had nowhere to go but up. Millions were collecting welfare and food stamps. Yet with the 11 million jobs Obama's policies created, he managed to have 12 million more people on food stamps when he left office than he had when he came into office. Most of his job creations were low paying service and part time jobs. Something the bias news conveniently tried to keep from us. Something the Left doesn't want to admit. Yes it did improve somewhat, but not nearly enough to make a big difference. That is because of his policies of forcing health care on companies over 50 employees. Hitting them with the highest corporate tax in the whole industrial world and then also piling on near record regulations. He made it so companies couldn't compete with other nations that taxed and paid less. Something Trump knew even before taking office and cut both. Yet all the Left could see is Trump gave big tax cuts to the rich to make them richer and all we got was crumbs from the table. Refusing to point out yes it did make the rich richer, but it also made the average Americans richer. The middle class saw their biggest wage gain ever over those tax and regulation cuts and the blue collar worker saw big wage gains too. So you see there is a big difference in Trump and Obama's economy that the Left hopes you don't figure out.

 

Here was the big part of Obama's economy and why it was so bad.Unlike the Left that feel taxing the rich and regulations is always the answer to solving our problems, Trump saw it differently.

In a race to the finish, Obama administration presses ahead ...
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As the future Trump administration begins to take shape, the Obama White House is engaged in a frenzied, final effort to put in place as many new rules and regulations as time allows.



20,642 New Regulations Added in the Obama Presidency
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More than $22 billion per year in new regulatory costs were imposed on Americans last year, pushing the total burden for the Obama years to exceed $100 billion annually.



The U.S. Has the Highest Corporate Income Tax Rate in the ...
https://taxfoundation.org/us-has-highest-corporate-income-tax-rate-oecd
In today’s globalized world, U.S. Corporations are increasingly at a competitive disadvantage. They currently face the highest statutory corporate income tax rate in the world at 39.1 percent. This overall rate is a combination of our 35 percent federal rate and the average rate levied by U.S. States.

 

~ I think Trump should run in every election just to keep the fear factor alive in both parties.

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~ I actually do not care much for Trump on a personal level. I do not dislike him - I just believe that his " showmanship" style is annoying and does not belong in politics.
However I see him as one of the best and most important presidents the USA has ever had. He made history by exposing the corruption in upper government, the DOJ and FBI. He called out the biased and unprofessional news media for what they are. He stood up without hesitation to Red China , the Middle East dictators and Kim Kong . He quickly brought out the best and worst in the people who he trusted to work with him. He scares the Hell out of the elite Capitola Hill clique and is mostly hated by the majority of career politicos because he points out their laziness and refuses to " go along to get along". He pushed the Republican Party towards middle America and brought votes from the poor and working class who previously went only Democrat .
I vote for leadership and agenda, not a "nice person " who will dance the politicians' waltz and make promises with pretty words . I vote for the young and unborn so they will inherit a country with the same freedoms, protections and opportunity that my parents and myself had. There are very few who will fill this obligation.

 

I like Trump, but I hope he doesn't run again.

I don't like Trump but I like how he runs an administration. I also hope he doesn't run again. It was entertaining for four years but I don't need four more of it. I beg DeSantis to run for president in 2024. He is the only candidate that would get me back to the polls. If you need a woman, I would recommend Noem but not enough for me to visit the polling place.

 

Due to border insecurities (which congress still refuses to address), the pandemic (OK, the goons who head the gov't effort to stop this pandemic are authoritarian and not critical thinkers)...BTW, how would you have felt about Trump if Trump decided not to follow the advice of the gov't pandemic and bureaucratic goons who can't think critically??..Due to American workers being screwed by free market capitalism. Due to tax dollars going to other countries 'cause the US has too high a tax rate on corporations. Due to political elites trying to prevent gov't acquiescing to the wishes of the American public.
Due to all this Trump had to act as president.

I mean, one of the reasons why The Constitution put in so many powers for the executive branch, for example, is because the previous 'constitution' The Articles of Confederation put too much power in the hands of states and not the union. The executive can act on a moment's notice if the need requires an immediate response but the legislative reacts at a snail's pace or (in the case of border security) not at all.

 

I agree with most of this post however I do like Trump. I think every politician is a narcissist at heart, though, even Trump. One further reason why I like Trump is because Trump is rich enough not to be beholden to political elites and Trump is certainly an outsider when it comes to political elitism.

Sidenote: IMO, further legislation on campaign finance laws, for example, needs to be done to prevent political elites from dominating politics.

 

You're wrong. An authoritarian, for example, doesn't allow speech or actions that disagree with their political ideology. That's why Biden is the authoritarian because of his pandemic mandates for example. Because Biden is the authoritarian, he wouldn't have allowed the Charlottesville riots (well, wouldn't have allowed the white supremacists to riot). Because Biden is the authoritarian, Biden wouldn't have allowed anyone to stop the Floyd riots.

Trump is the opposite of Biden. Trump allows speech and actions that don't necessarily agree with his political ideology. Trump allowed the Charlottesville riots not because he believed in either side but because he believed in free speech and believed the quelling of the riots was a state function. Trump is more the libertarian.

Biden is the authoritarian. Not Trump...Maybe it's that Biden is too stupid to realize he's authoritarian??

 

Beat me to it.

 

Switch "Democrat" for "Republican" and I have read exactly the same word for word from many on the left.

Your country is so polarized that you can't even debate anything anymore. Your politics have turned into pure binary, with everyone hating the other "side", people afraid to criticize their own side, and people taking views on issues they wouldn't agree with at all if it wasn't what the party declared the right view. Neither side hears the other and both sides paint the other as evil and out to destroy the country.

You got problems. Trump isn't Hitler. Trump isn't Jesus. Neither is Biden.

 

Hmm, then whats ur excuse for why the right, and conservatives cant stand him?
Not all republicans are Trump supporters.

If what you claim were true, then the OP would not have a point, the governor of MD, and VA would not be a republican, and Trump would have won. Trump lost cause the right realized how loony he was as well. So there goes that false narrative.
Nice try. Nothing he did was conservative.

 

I agree with you, and I would add that Trump can’t win.

Yes, I know that the Democrats are a train wreck and vulnerable. But a third or more of the electorate is Independents. Trump won the Independents by a narrow margin in 2016. He lost them in 2020 by a large margin. They voted against him because they didn’t like Trump, the man. And then 1/6 happened, and that sealed the fact that the Independents would never support Trump again.

What the Republicans need is a charismatic candidate with Trump-like policies who isn’t like Trump on the personal side and who is smart enough to keep Trump at arms length. This, btw, is what Glenn Youngkin did to win the Virginia governorship.

A conservative, Trump-like platform can win. Trump himself can not.

 

Not sure what you’re talking about.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...overwhelming-choice-among-republicans-at-cpac


Donald Trump overwhelmingly won the 2024 presidential straw poll at the Conservative Political Action Conference, which showed the extent of the former president’s dominance over the Republican Party.

Trump had an approval rating of 98% and was the choice of 70% of CPAC attendees in the straw poll among potential Republican candidates taken during the three-day gathering in Dallas. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis was a distant second at 21%

 

Let us know when you find the 'perfect' politician who meets every expectation you have.

Trump is a twit as a person. He did some good things, and this country enjoyed the benefits of those good things. He did some negative things, and this country did not enjoy those things.

Have I made my statement basic enough for you?

 

Thats as meaningless as claiming a golden globe winner is a favorite of the democratic party. CPAC..wtf, have they accomplished? Putting a nut like Trump in charge.
They represent nothing but themselves. Like I said, if what you said were true, Trump would have won by a landslide.

 

You make some valid points and I have been thinking of some of them myself. Unlike you, I never really liked Trump. Didn't vote for him in either the primaries or the general in 2016. I did vote for him in 2020 because I feared socialists winning and my fears have been completely justified. I also hope that Trump is not the nominee in 2024. I think America should finally vote for true moderation and kick the far left and the far right out to the curbs. It's about time we ended the divisiveness, which is actually perpetuated by the left far more than by the right. I'm getting sick of one side winning an election and trying to cram their values down the 100%. We have devolved into the mentality of winner takes all the spoils. We should not only keep the filibuster but we should spread it to the House as well because over the last several years the House is allowed to abuse their power in any way they see fit by a simple majority vote of 218-217. Nothing should be passed and no investigations should be done unless there is a consensus of more than a simple vote of 218-217. We need to find ways of developing bipartisanship instead of finding ways to end it.

 

If Trump had his way, our democracy would die.

Trump is only out for himself and that's all!

I don't think Trump was ever presidential material in the first place. He made many of the Republicans believe in him or he could do devastating atrocities to them. I'll tell you this: There isn't anything that Trump could to do or say that can scare me and that's a fact.

 

now that is amazing…. Trump has done a fine job for Americans… and you make a statement like that.

 

They had to be recruiting ?

 

~ In my lifetime Trump is the only president to leave office with less net worth than when he entered ... '

 

With due respect, Marine1, the actual statistics don't bear that out. I have 10 indicators, all show that Trump inherited a robust economy, but here are five key indicators:

Here we have unemployment looking good on the left, and same for middle class income, noting where trump enters the picture,
all he does is just inherit an upward trajectory, so all he had to do is not screw it up.



Here we have Jobs on the left, and economic growth, on the right



Trump killed it at the end of his term. True, the pandemic mucked things up, but the truth is, he made the pandemic much worse

Yeah, Obama handed Trump the keys to a corvette, and all Trump had to do is not wreck it.

Well, he wrecked it.

covid death rate much higher in Trump counties, misinformation is to blame.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...isinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

Hyperbole

https://theconversation.com/who-really-defeated-the-islamic-state-obama-or-trump-148066
I am a scholar who tracks the Islamic State group and its affiliates. I pay careful attention to where the group is active and holds territory as part of a University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth project I lead called MappingISIS.com.

Data I have collected – including from official reports issued by the State Department, the Global Anti-ISIS Coalition, the Pentagon, IHS Conflict Monitor, a think tank that provides data on wars, and other think tanks – show that the president’s claims are false: The Trump administration mostly finished the job, but the Obama administration launched the successful campaign against the Islamic State, and did roughly half the work the president is trying to claim credit for.

Using these sources, I have created a map that for the first time delineates territory liberated from the Islamic State under Obama and under Trump. The map makes clear that the Obama administration liberated approximately 50% of ISIS territory before handing the successful war effort off to Trump.

It goes on from there.

Trump's transactional approach to NATO did not, ultimately speaking, serve the interests of the US.

Overall, I'd characterize Trump's NATO policy as insidious. Insidious is an interesting word, it means initially alluring but harmful down the road. It's a case of Trump not understanding the more salient and important dynamics at play in the NATO alliance.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/07/09/trumps-meaningless-nato-spending-debate/

To persist in the long term, the trans-Atlantic alliance needs equality in negotiation much more than it needs equality in spending. The NATO alliance does not depend on equal burdens, which it has never had; it depends on solidarity. And solidarity only comes when both sides are getting what they need and feel they are being treated fairly. Effective bullying can perhaps create some wasteful defense spending, but it cannot create a new trans-Atlantic bargain that will preserve that essential solidarity.

I'll comment on these some other time

I don't know that if he 'fixed' the VA, but the VA Secretary approves of Trump's treatment of the VA, so no criticism on this one.

Glad you see these things, it's not good for a President to have such qualities.
It's not even good for national security.

Trump did considerable damage to America his last year in office. Whatever good he did is completely destroyed by his incompetence on Covid, and his attempt to subvert the election, promote 'stop the steal' which destroyed confidence in American Democracy, which is a veritable arrow into the heart of an American core value, that he is unequivocally a threat to US National security. He caused the nation to be divided, hate crimes increased, raised the tone of Americans against Americans, right against the left, raised to a fevered pitch. If you're not a dem, you won't feel it, but he trolled democrats almost daily, and this idea I should feel good about trump for a few things he did was good is absurd. You don't feed 75 million people lies about your opposition, absurd, egregious, outrageous, blatant and bald-faced lies and then complain because dems hold you in contempt, sorry, that's not how it works in life. No other president did that, not Nixon, not Ford, not Reagan, Not either of the Bushes.

I do commend you for coming out against him, in the final analysis, that is the correct assessment.

 

You folks on the right seem fundamentally incapable of acknowledging that his bad traits and deeds constituted a threat to US National Security and no redeeming qualities he may possess come anywhere near of overriding that fact.

Trump did considerable damage to America his last year in office. Whatever good he did is completely destroyed by his incompetence on Covid, and his attempt to subvert the election, promote 'stop the steal' which destroyed confidence in American Democracy, which is a veritable arrow into the heart of an American core value, that he is unequivocally a threat to US National security. He caused the nation to be divided, hate crimes increased, raised the tone of Americans against Americans, right against the left, raised to a fevered pitch. If you're not a dem, you won't feel it, but he trolled democrats almost daily, and this idea I should feel good about trump for a few things he did was good is absurd. You don't feed 75 million people lies about your opposition, absurd, egregious, outrageous, blatant and bald-faced lies and then complain because dems hold you in contempt, sorry, that's not how it works in life. No other president did that, not Nixon, not Ford, not Reagan, Not either of the Bushes.

 

No other presidents' 'bad side' come remotely close to Trump's bad side.

Trump did considerable damage to America his last year in office. Whatever good he did is completely destroyed by his incompetence on Covid, and his attempt to subvert the election, promote 'stop the steal' which destroyed confidence in American Democracy, which is a veritable arrow into the heart of an American core value, that he is unequivocally a threat to US National security. He caused the nation to be divided, hate crimes increased, raised the tone of Americans against Americans, right against the left, raised to a fevered pitch. If you're not a dem, you won't feel it, but he trolled democrats almost daily, and this idea I should feel good about trump for a few things he did was good is absurd. You don't feed 75 million people lies about your opposition, absurd, egregious, outrageous, blatant and bald-faced lies and then complain because dems hold you in contempt, sorry, that's not how it works in life. No other republican president did that, not Coolidge, not Hoover, not Eisenhower, not Nixon, not Ford, not Reagan, Not either of the Bushes.

 

Patricio Da Silva

Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

“Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.
"There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery


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Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26 https://www.forbes.com/.../trumps-policy-magic-wand.../...


( Nato members increase defense spending by $100 billion ...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/27/nato-members-increase-defence-spending-100...
Jan 27, 2019 · Nato states will increase their defense spending by $100 billion in response to Donald Trump's demands that European allies shoulder a greater financial burden, the …
Author: Julie Allen
NATO head praises Trump for tough talk to member countries
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/nato-head-praises-trump-for-tough-talk-to-member-countries
Jan 27, 2019 · WASHINGTON – The head of NATO on Sunday praised President Trump for demanding member countries pony up more money, saying Trump’s tough talk has produced “real results.” “President Trump .

 

What hysterical hyperbole...

If you can see no responsibility on your side for the division in America today then no one can help you see it because you're in what's called denial.

Of course Trump was acerbic but he was always under attack by your side.

The meltdown happened the night he won because it was Hillary's turn and it just never did abate.

 

It's so obvious now that they have lost all credibility on this subject..