Indonesia's Parliament votes to ban sex outside of marriage

Not an actual answer. A deflection then? So, again, Indonesia adopts Sharia law,, essentially, and this is you clapping because? So, again, why carry the Islamic water for them? Why do you feel it is necessary to defend this?

 

I think the article said that the family member reporting was for the adultery charges. Don't know reporting would work for 2 consenting foreigner adults, which was sort of the point of my stunned OP....

I was in Bali as a preteen almost 50 years ago (gulp) and have great memories, but I'm sure it wouldn't be the same as as adult in this day and age...

 

you're the only one clapping and defending this, I am against religious law period, regardless of the religion... are you?

 

I see you are still working on what the word liberal means. But you should try at least reading what I said, because I didn't defend Islam.

 

I haven't started any anti-Christian threads about the same, despite being raised to believe this same stuff in a Christian church.

 

No country, not even the UK legal system, functions as similarly as our own. UK and other western nations do come close, but not the same as our own in certain situations. However, the point is not the legal system, but the politics behind what went into that bill that was passed. But if you are going to quote locked up abroad, take this note, nearly all of the persons are people who were transporting illicit drugs, mostly marijuana, cocaine, opium, hemp, etc, and were young and gullible, to say the least. Yes, Indonesia, as well as Vietnam, China, Thailand, and most SE Countries, including Japan, have very strict illicit drug laws, especially if a foreigner gets caught. And in some cases, like Indonesia or China, you can receive the death penalty for such an offense. And like all countries, Indonesia does have prostitution. But living abroad in any foreign country is not for the faint at heart or the loudmouth persons who have no common sense or are extremely judgemental. Not saying this is you or anyone else, just being overtly general here.

But having traveled abroad, Indonesia is still a very popular place among expats. Expats do not mean just Americans or westerners but can include South Korea, Japan, Thailand, Mexico, etc. And currently, it is ranked second among the expat survey of 2022 as the link below.

https://www.internations.org/expat-...erall, Indonesia ranks second in,65% globally).

 

the law will apply to having sex with local, unmarried, native women in Indonesia.

 

Nah, this is you saying, yeah but... and that's the extent of it. So, by deflecting, you're tacitly defending it by deflecting from it. The best question is why? If, as you suggest, you're against religious law, why can't you just damn this and move on?

 

That wouldn’t impact most of our group but I could see it being an issue with two of them lol.

Religious law is so strange

 

You self identifying as a liberal is obviously destroyed by your actual policy stances, but hey, its what you self identify as....

 

Another reading fail. But, hey, fake accusations are a lot easier than having an actual discussion, right?

 

deflecting yet again, I see, why can't you just say you're against all religious law being bushed on the people

and I already condemned this, theocracies are evil

 

Because the question wasn't asked of me, it was asked of you. I don't want religious laws/policy either. Morality is morality regardless of whether it coincides with religious doctrine. Would you agree that social policy the outlaws murder is still a good idea? Or, because it's a commandment you don't?

 

so we agree, see that wasn't so hard

murder was illegal before religion and will be long after it is gone

I would not make stoning people legal, like some Christians on the right have asked for

 

Imagine thinking living in one of the most free states (Florida) is bad lol.

The authoritarianism of Indonesia is rivaling that of California.

 

I would not want to live in Florida or California, though many seem to love those States - both are a bit too authoritarianism for me

 

California is absolutely authoritarian, Florida not at all.

 

What leads you to believe we are headed in that direction?

 

Like whom? Democrats seem to be turning a blind eye to honor killings by muslims in this country. How do you respond?

 

Their recent rulings that are based more on religion than law. The fact that they don't hide the fact that religion is more important to them than the law.

 

Family is for the unmarried sex thing too. Trust me, this has been BIG news here.

 

Good... stick with the married ones... a lot fewer complications...



Also, I just don't think you are correct. This guy doesn't mention native women, just tourist couples..

SNIP
“From our point of view as tourism industry players, this law will be very troublesome,” said Putu, who questioned how the laws would be policed.

“Should we ask (overseas unmarried couples) if they are married or not? Do tourist couples have to prove that they are married?” he asked.

Putu said the laws could be “counterproductive” to any efforts to entice tourists back to the island.
ENDSNIP

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/05/asia/indonesia-new-code-passed-sex-cohabitation-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Good, you are probably getting better news too.

Can you respond to post #32 with some good overseas links? Does one of the participants have to be Indonesian? If not, how could "family" reporting possibly be a factor for 2 touristas??

 

Because the offence needs to be reported by a family member the presumption is that tourist couples won't be impacted because no one will report them.

That doesn't mean tourists cannot be impacted. The obvious circumstance is some sort of relationship with a local being reported by someone in their family. Not high probability, but possible. Another less likely scenario is that the family of a tourist reports someone for having relations with a family member - say female offspring hooks up with a guy the family doesn't approve of and they report it.

It is a terrible law that I suspect will impact tourism. It is already being called the 'Bali bonk ban' here, and could kill a tourist industry just getting back on its feet after COVID. If tourism authorities from places like Thailand, the Philippines & even Malaysia are smart they can benefit from this.

I have long been planning a trip to Java to see some of the historic sites there and will likley go in the next few years. The 'bonk ban' won't worry me, but I'll have to check the other elements of the changes to see if anything will be an issue.

 

Thanks... I only brought up tourist couples because that's the phrase used by the travel expert I quoted in post #47.

Even if this change doesn't directly impact most tourists, I'm not sure why you'd go to a morality police state when, as you point out, there are other similar options nearby..

But listen to me, as I live in the same country as Texas...