You're offended by Knowledge of this? You must overcome this to Know, and you shall then be protected by the Truth. But for you I have little hope. I doubt you even understood what I said.
No. The Infinite is not variable or related to anything. Hence it is not relative. And the ant is more easily able to grasp it than you.
Actually it is the simplest of all, not complex. It is so simple that the mind cannot grasp it. The Infinite is the Absolute. It is the only Reality. What changes is not real; what is real does not change.
I see Wikipedia is your friend. lol Cantor isn't perfect, either. Even he can only guess and hope some equations will be correct.
Who is Cantor? What I said did not come from Wikipedia. Why are you so deeply offended by these things that you feel a need to lash out?
In the end, if we don't know what is inside a locked safe, we may never know, but we shouldn't assume it's magical goblins. There really isn't anything differentiating your evidence form the evidence of any of those other groups other than you want to believe in it. To them, their miracles are convincing while yours are silly. I can be satisfied with a logical explanation. But, there isn't one. If I thought there were a god, I would be so incredibly terrified of it, I would do absolutely everything in my power not piss it off. I would spend every minute of my life sick to my stomach worried that I wasn't doing the right thing or following the right doctrine. I wouldn't tell it to take a hike I would be a trembling slave. As far as the gift, there is no reason to think that you don't have the wrong god, and everything you are doing is wrong. Maybe the real god is angered by prayer, maybe it gave us logic and reason because it wants us to use it and will condemn you for not questioning. Again, just your feelings, unsupportable by anything else, the same feelings that muslims have in greater supply. Yes, there are limits if you adopt logic and reason. Logic and reason go out the window when you say 'it's just beyond our understanding.' If we use logic and reason, in infinite being is all logical paradox. And no, there is no empirical evidence. They all say the same thing about you and have the same reasoning. There is no way from an outsiders perspective to tell the difference.
So, if logic is flawed, then any truth, and any reality is equally likely. There is no argument or proposition we could make that would be any more insane or realistic, or likely to be true than any other.
Have you ever considered that you asking such a question, might be akin to an ant with its brain, asking an ant question about a human being with its brain? The ant can never know except what an ant is limited to know, by its brain. Perhaps your brain isn't advanced enough to even ask the question? Of course, like the ant, you think it is. As I do. We think a lot of our brains. Perhaps the ant thinks as well of his brain too? lol Perhaps even asking the question, is like an ant crawling up an elephant's back leg, screaming, " I am gonna rape you!" Well, it is an ant's brain after all.
Since I posted what Etbauer replied to, I'll answer. And I find no evidence to believe in anything that could be called a "god" which did or would speak, dictate words, or relate to the human condition as a human might. I'm saying that the Christian notion of a "god" is purely a human creation. That said, one could not express "God's definition of 'perfect' " because there would be no such expression. From my standpoint, many attribute the feedback of their own conscience to a "God" speaking to them. It is, however, possible to create the conditions of one's own consciousness such that the nature of perfection can be perceived and even experienced. I already gave such a description of it.
The question was not directed at you @Kode. I appreciate your attempt to answer the question, but you didn't. You only further extrapolated on your personal opinions. I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked for @Elbauer to explain in his/her words, God's definition of perfect. You have not even addressed that question. Do you not have an answer for the question? Are you afraid to respond directly to the question? Do you simply want to be inimical? Are you simply proselytizing? I can't tell yet, but in time it's likely your motives will become clear.
Too bad. This is not a private forum. I most certainly did. I said there can be no such thing. There can only be human fantasies about what a "god" has "said". If you don't want my input, then just stop replying to me!
If he was perfect......let me rephrase that. If you were perfect, would you consider being bored as something you would allow yourself to be? Would you do anything that would bore you? Would anything, if you created, in some way, all things in a manner of your choosing, even if it was at the level of knowing the ending before your actions to start it all, make you bored? I can't speak for God, but for myself, I'd never do that. There wouldn't be a bad feeling inside me. I would know all before it happens, all possibilities, all choices, all endings and all beginnings. No way would I create anything that makes me bored or angry or have bad feelings of any kind, unless I loved what I created so much that I wanted them to choose how to live in all things, meaning I would not directly change what I started, but only offer choices and make those known in the best manner possible to be spread throughout my creation. I don't know. It's so much to consider, I know I am not even close to what is.
This is all being considered within the framework of passing time. The idea of "knowing the ending before it is started" should alert us that we are talking about a concept called "eternity" in which time does not pass. There are many people of various religions who have claimed to have experienced eternity or "timelessness". And they all say pretty much the same things about it even though they live in different countries and cultures at different times. From their assertions I can tell you that they say that only in timeless "eternity" is there perfection. And it is so because only there can there be no change. Nothing can change in eternal perfection. Even your bible says this in the vicinity of Eccl. 3:11. "Nothing can be added to it, and nothing can be taken from it." And so if time is not passing and change is impossible, there can obviously be no boredom. Boredom can only happen in passing time.
lol, of course I've considered it, it's the very first thing everyone clings to when irreconcilable paradoxes are presented. The problem is that this isn't a failure of imagination. You are looking at it like the Riemann hypothesis where every example we have found agrees with the hypothesis, yet we can't say it's true because we haven't proven it. What I'm saying is the opposite. That if logic holds, then a god would not have created us or anything else. It's not just that I can't imagine it, it's that logically it wouldn't have happened if you require that prime mover. So, the only recourse is to say that our ant-brain doesn't correctly interpret logic which then means that we have no ability to make any determination about reality at all in which case, all christian thought is on equal footing with science and raelianism, and wicca, and every other idea we haven't thought of. Maybe, the fact that we have ant brains means that we haven't even thought of the true creator (which really is the scientific stance).
Let me add: #1 Boredom is a human trait. #2 An all powerful all knowing god wouldn't really be entertained by the relatively boring goings on of our planet especially given that he already knows everything that's going to happen.
I don't know. If as @Kode said, all things are not passing, but eternally existing and that is perfection, wouldn't imperfection be impossible?
I think, even religious folk can get behind at least some of that. WE don't know what God looks like, is, how He exists or anything. They are called mysteries at times because we can't explain. I bet some things cannot be explained with the language we currently use. Sure, it's on equal footing. They are called choices and we have many. Choose correctly and have at least a chance to go to heaven. Choose wrongly and....well. Are they all true and good? Are they from many sources? In the end, isn't it possible there are two sources for those choices...one good and one evil?
That's the point, it's a paradox. Perfection can't really exist in the reality we inhabit. Certainly not an all powerful one if there is a differentiation between the two.
