ISIS executes 19 girls for refusing to have sex with fighters

The First Crusade was only 462 years away. "Pretty near the time", alright.

On the other hand, the Rashidun caliphs were merely two years away from launching their expansionist wars of aggression that we in the West wouldn't stop until Charles Martel defeated Abd Ar-Rahman Al Ghafiqi at the Battle of Poitiers/Tours in France in 732AD.

 

My bad, misread that. Its only 81% of Muslims in Egypt that believe in stoning for Apostates. Afghanistan was 85%

 

I do not wish to study the benefits of horse droppings as an anti aging skin treatment either...it may very well work, but I know it stinks and the very idea is revolting.

 

Weird eh, the Afghans did not agree with it when the Taliban were doing it!!

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As does sitting in an armchair terrifying people all day so that they are scared to go to work or school then indiscriminate droning from your armchair killing whoever you get and keeping them living in terror ev ery minute of every day but hey that is just the US for you.

 

Here I figured you were talking about ISIS, the Taliban, AQAP...or one of those groups...maybe Boko Haram, until you said drones.

 

To find out if people are telling the truth when they claim that that "killing Aposates is not part of Islam"?

In case you didn't know, Sahih Bukhari is considered the most authoritative and trustworthy of all the collections of hadith in Sunni Islam.

 

Exactly we frequently remain blind to our own inhumanity while wondering what drives others to it.

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and that Hadith contradicts the Koran.....

 

It would be nice if someone cut off all their junk and made them eat it. At the very least it would keep them from reproducing.

 

Im an atheist, so I use the text of both religions in the same way. To discover the content of the religion from the religions original text. During the Holy empires of Europe, people couldnt read. Christianity was whatever the Catholic clergy told them was Christianity. The spread of literacy, invention of the printing press, widespread translation and publication of the bible and we got the Protestant reformation, using the text of the bible to demonstrate the illigitimacy of the divine rule of the Catholic Church. We got Thomas Paine and his Pamphlet "Common Sense", using the bible to demonstrate the illigitimacy of the divine rule of monarchs and the legitimacy of government, of by and for the people. Published in 1776, for the first time in our lands history when any printed material out sold the bible as the #1 most purchased printed material.

 

The Koran contradicts the Koran. And the Hadiths punishment for Apostasy doesnt contradict the Koran.

 

I believe they did. Did you have some evidence they did not?

 

AND 632 until the 1920s with Islamic Caliphates applying Islamic doctrine as law is the norm in Islam and the overwhelming majority of Islams history, IS THE NORM with Islam. The Absence of the Caliphate from the 1920s until its re establishment in 2013 is the EXCEPTION.

 

and there you immediately have your first problem as they are not doing the same thing as the AL Jazeera link I gave told you.

And what has happened with Islam through the ages is that as far as Sharia Law was concerned that changed according to the situation - all until Wahhabi when it went somewhat berserk and that, that is Saudi Arabia was the only place where such actions were carried out for at least the first half of my life, then you got Iran and then of course the Taliban who had been educated by the Saudi's during the US/American/Russian war. According to RAWA they did not get a basic education. It was very low on the basics, completely forgot Afghan Tradition and instead taught a severe extreme version of Wahhabi. They of course brought that back to the Afghans. The Afghans initially welcomed them because they brought some form of order but were set for overthrowing them when the US ruined that by invading.

ISIS have worked looking at all of the ways in which revolutionaries were successful. Included in that was that Afghanistan was so lawless and dangerous when they took over that the people were willing to welcome them. They see that as they way to go.

Iran needs separate study. This leaves us with the ME where until very recently the people you are claiming from the PEW poll want to stone unbelievers to death, until very recently totally mocked and looked down on the Saudi's. That is not how they worked.

The changes apart from the Saudi's appear to stem from 9/11 and the West's response to it. Bin Laden and AL Qaeda who were taught and funded by the US in preference to democratic Afghanis are the people given credit for 9/11. After that the rise in religious extremism appears to be linked to both the US'S response to 9/11 with the mass killing of civilians, the torture and so on that when on, the destruction of countries creating failed states as well as discontent at the repressive nature of their own leadership.

ISIS is fuelled by politics and certainly not by Islam and I would suggest also are those ideas.

 

No, it does not contradict Sahih Bukhari. The Qur'an is merely unclear on whether or not repentance is to be accepted from an apostate and what form of punishment an apostate is to receive.

For example:

In the aforementioned hadith from Sahih Bukhari, Muhammad clarifies these ambiguities.

The numerous ambiguities and contradictions in the Qur'an is precisely why Shari'a law is derived from multiple sources.

 

They learned from Afghanistan. As long as ISIS doesn't interfere in the politics of the Black Sea/Caucasus, Russia couldn't care less. The problem of course, is that political inactivity from Superior Powers will pretty much allow ISIS to run amok and increase political power. The "Arab Spring" was US strategy run amok. The Pentagon was caught clueless, as they thought they could control the situation. Obviously, they couldn't.

 

I made no representation as to what Islam or Christianity is "doing", so I have no idea what you are even talking about.

Nonsense, We have 1300 years of history of death for apostasy

 

No you are totally wrong there so your expert is clearly a poor one.

The Koran does not give any death sentence for Apostasy. It gives freedom of choice within religion in several places.

The Hadith however suggests this can be so. Given that the Koran is considered the most accurate text that gives rise to whether the Hadith should be put in the bucket as some people suggest. However more careful study by experts discovers that the problem comes about because Mohammed was also involved in the political/war which was a constant problem in those days. The verses which are erroneously believed to speak of death for not believing are seen to be about being a traitor. Given that they are not in the Koran and that the Koran allows no coercion over religion. it is not Islamic to kill someone for becoming a non believer.

 

You claimed you studied them both in the same way.

Really. So you say. No one was doing this for the first 30 years of so that I was alive except possibly the Saudi's and what I wrote was the truth to which you said Rubbish so I guess you are just making things up.

 

To give credit where credit is due, Boston preacher Jonathan Mayhew used the Bible to refute the divine right of kings in his sermon A Discourse Concerning Unlimited Submission and Non-Resistance to the Higher Powers: With some Reflections on the Resistance made to King Charles I twenty-six years before Paine wrote Common Sense. Shortly thereafter, it was converted to pamphlet form and became one of the most influential publications of the early pre-Revolutionary period:

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1044&context=etas

 

I think you may have missed the point....I do not care what someone claims as "truth" within a book of nightmare fairy tales that are used to commit disgusting crimes in the real world that we humans live in.

 

Those Sunni Muslims murdered by ISIS are not apostates. The clue is in the words "Sunni Muslims". So keep on wriggling.......

 

Dr. al-Buti “The Jurisprudence of Muhammad’s Biography”

(p. 287) "It may be said, 'What is the value of a faith in Islam which is a result of a threat? Abu Sufyan, one moment ago, was not a believer, then he believed after he was threatened by death.' We say to those who question: 'What is required of an infidel or the one who confuses other gods with God, is to have his tongue surrender to the religion of God and to subdue himself to the prophethood of Muhammad. But his heart felt faith is not required at the beginning. It will come later."

 

Just as all the Tribes that Abu Bakr waged the wars of Apostasy against were Muslims. Muslims who had stopped paying Zakat to Mecca, and so were therefore branded Apostates.

 

They're already there...

 

LOL. You are becoming desperate. ISIS are not paying zakat to Mecca! Keep on wriggling.......