Israel in violation of 4th Geneva Conventions

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  1. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    You said:
    But it isnt true because of the Jordanian occupation that according to the Jordanian Trading with the Enemy Ordinance, 1939 Jordan was the custodian on the lands that belonged to Jews, and they had to protect their status (as Jewish land) according to the Hague Convention 1907.
    Moreover, all of the state lands that have been controled by Jordan is what Israel got to have after '67.

    So as you see your claim from 1949 is not ontridacting what I provided you.

    Israel is giving land to Arabs by evecuating Jews, probably you forgot it.
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    conquest by warfare, even a defensive war, only changes who controls and has right to STATE lands, not private land.

    privately-owned land stays so no matter which side wins the war.

    that means more than 90% of the West Bank was owned by Arabs, whether the land is controlled by Israel or Jordan.

    so its time for Israel to give back the land.

    or they can shut up when the world condemns their crimes.
     
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    You are far beyond ridiculous... 90% of Judea and Samaria is owned by Arabs???
    Prove it or FOREVER shut the hell out.
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have all the evidence.

    But first, you have to ask me nicely.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    If you are agree with that, then your claim of the 90% is not true!

    You brought this figure from the period when Jordan (illegaly) controlled the West Bank, but not the majority of land was belong to Arab! because the majority of lands in the West Bank are nature reserves, pit areas and disordered land.

    Israel is evecuating Jews from areas that was decided that Jews wont live there.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    meanwhile Israel still controls 55% of the West Bank, even though they own less than 10%.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    If you agreed with me that Israel have the right over the state lands in the West Bank, then it means that Israel have the right to control more then 10%
    You're keep forgetting it!
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah, maybe 15%.
     
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    No one but an Israeli can decide what's the right thing to do for Israel - your attitude is not first or second priority, but to blame some Jews for other Jews actions (or did you just justify it?) is criminal in most countries.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    more then that. You are just prefer ro ignore it.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    when after 1967 did Israel start buying all this land?
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    All the state lands in the West Bank after 1967 were the state lands which Jordan was incharge of untl 1967.
    As the years past by, state lands got bigger because of the law that says that every piece of private land that it's owner doesnt come back to it for 3 years, the land wil become state land. Plus you have also all the Jewish private lands that are still exist in the West Bank, and their status (of being Jewish lands) been kept in the Jordanian occupation and didnt became state lands because of the Jordanian Trading with the Enemy Ordinance, 1939 and the Hague Convention 1907.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    wow, sounds like Israel has found all sorts of ways to steal land.

    they rely on British law when its beneficial, then Turkish law when its beneficial, then Jordanian law when its beneficial.

    and folks wonder why the world hates Israel.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Israel doesnt use those laws when it benefictal! but those laws are existing in the West Bank and Isreal is respecting them.
    If Israel is guilty in anything and do anything wrong I will be the first to say that! but as long Israel is respecting and do actions according to the laws you cant accuse her.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you actually are gonna sit there and tell us that its proper for Israel to cite British law, Turkish law, or Jordanian law, only when it fits their territorialist needs?

    seriously???

    this is why folks hate Israel. Thanks for reminding us.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I never said that Israel is using these laws for beneficital reasons! I said the following:
    stop desorting my words!
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You said that they are following British, Turkish, and Jordanian law.

    why the (*)(*)(*)(*) are they using laws from three different rulers to figure out how to deal with land issues?

    and why the hell are all the laws they choose to follow, just happen to be the ones that do NOT favor the Palestinians??

    if Israel has any honesty, any integrity, they would simply follow ALL British, ALL Turkish, or ALL Jordanian rules regarding land ownership in the West Bank, and stick to it.

    what Israel is doing, is a disgrace to the Jewish people.
     
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    Because the Ottoman, Britain and Jordan rule in the West Bank, and their laws are still existing today there, so they have to respect them!

    Ask the ones that legislated them! (Turkey, UK, Jordan).

    Israel is following all of the laws that refer to the West Bank and to land ownership.

    What Israel is doing is following the laws there.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what the (*)(*)(*)(*) are you talking about?????????

    British, Turkish, and Jordanian rules have NO control or relevence to the West Bank.
    NONE whatsoever.

    If Israel is going to apply former foreign laws, they need to pick ONE nation's laws and stick to them.

    not pick and choose which laws let them steal the most land from the Arabs.

    ^^^^^^^^ Neo-Zionist propaganda. Israel has looked at British, Jordanian, and Turkish laws and picks and chooses which ones allow them to steal the most amount of land based on each situation.

    Its immoral and shows the world how dishonest Israel is.

    The ONLY laws that have any relevence are Israeli laws and International Laws.
     
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    The Ottoman, British and Jordanian laws that are existing in the West Bank nowadays, therefore, Israel is respecting these laws and actiong according to them.

    They are not stealing lands, because you still have evecuations (of Jews) going on in the West Bank, and if you are refuse to acknoladge it, then you are ignoring the facts on ground.

    Does the UK is dishonest by following laws? no, right? as Israel is not dishonest by following laws.
    Israel is not picking from the laws one by one! the evidence for it is the evecuation of Jews that the army is doing in the West Bank.

    The Israeli laws that refer to the West Bank are relying on the British, Ottoman, Jordanian and International laws.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Ottomans, Jordanians, and British are no longer in control of the West Bank.

    All that matters are Israeli laws and international laws.

    Israel only looks at British, Ottoman, and Jordanian laws when it thinks it can use them to their advantage and to STEAL more land.

    The world knows this and YOU know it.

    Someday you'll admit it. :)
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    The Ottomans, British and Jordanians are no longer in control there but their laws are stil existing in the West Bank! this is a fact!
    The Israeli laws are respecting the British, Ottoman, Jordanian and International laws in the West Bank.

    Israel is using these laws not for their advantage! Israel is evecuating Jews from their houses in the West Bank- something that you prefer to ignore.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Israel CHOOSES to enforce British, Jordanian, or Ottoman laws, so as to steal more land, that's their CHOICE and we will expose them for it.
     
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    http://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/201203_under_the_guise_of_legality

    However, the amount of land recorded in the land registry as government property prior to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank in 1967 was limited (527,000 dunams, 9 percent of the West Bank, excluding East Jerusalem), and was concentrated in the Jordan Valley. The Central Mountain Ridge region contained almost no state land.

    Following the court’s ruling in the Elon Moreh case, and in line with policies of building settlements throughout the West Bank, including on the Central Mountain Ridge, the State of Israel declared more than 900,000 dunams as state land
     

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